Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Some Alibi is a sweetheart of a guy (gal?)...

Yes I'm late to your little hate party, LJ, but couldn't pass without condemning your attack on someone for expressing finer human feelings in a way that would offend no normal person. You must have examples? Bah! You're not engaging your higher self here.

It's despicable to pick a fight over a gesture of remembrance.

Three cheers for Some Alibi!!
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Bucketoftea,

wasn't it Some Alibi who originally started this whole thing off by whining about the owner of the property not appreciating his (her?) gesture of love and devotion and all LondonJohn is doing is trying to explain why the owner wouldn't like someone doing that? That hardly sounds like a hate party,

Dave
 
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How do you know they didn't...

Brucie, you misunderstand. Some Alibi shared the photo of his lovely silk flowers because he generously dedicated it as from TJMK and PMF, and we're all glad he did.

Did the convicts or their families leave any tribute to Meredith? Ever?
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Bucketoftea,

some people do these kind of things in private and don't make a big deal about advertising to the world how kind and thoughtful they are,

Dave
 
No one cares what the flowers were made of. No one cares about the flower vendors. The only reason the flowers are discussed at all is because SomeAlibi went into an insane tirade when a news reporter allegedly misrepresented the flowers.

The truth is the flowers were left in an attempt to get attention by a person pretending to care about someone he never met. The same attention getting behavior can be seen with his interaction with Curatolo when SomeAlibi used a drug addict for his own benefit.

Jealous.
 
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Bucketoftea,

wasn't it Some Alibi who originally started this whole thing off by whining about the owner of the property not appreciating his (her?) gesture of love and devotion and all LondonJohn is doing is trying to explain why the owner wouldn't like someone doing that? That hardly sounds like a hate party,

Dave

It's still causing sneering amongst you and very bad manners.
 
Enough with the flowers.

Leaving flowers at the cottage did no harm, nor did it accomplish much. Why allow the discussion to get sidetracked?
 
sneering?

It's still causing sneering amongst you and very bad manners.
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Bucketoftea,

I don't see any sneering going on, but if there's any bad manners being displayed, both sides are guilty of this including myself. I'm not perfect nor is anyone else, but I atleast try to be aware that I am guilty of it sometimes,

Dave
 
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Bucketoftea,

wasn't it Some Alibi who originally started this whole thing off by whining about the owner of the property not appreciating his (her?) gesture of love and devotion and all LondonJohn is doing is trying to explain why the owner wouldn't like someone doing that? That hardly sounds like a hate party,

Dave

No. It was the squealing from your side describing them as cheap and tacky plastic flowers that preceded any mention by any journalist. They had their knives out in a flash.
 
You are right...

Leaving flowers at the cottage did no harm, nor did it accomplish much. Why allow the discussion to get sidetracked?
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Charlie,

and I apologize and vow to drop this after this post.

Regardless of anyone's thoughts about why or how it was done (whether positive or negative), it was still a nice gesture by Some Alibi,

Dave

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Bucketoftea,

some people do these kind of things in private and don't make a big deal about advertising to the world how kind and thoughtful they are,

Dave

So that's a no. Who would expect them to when they couldn't even bring themselves to send even a brief aknowledgement to her family? Who would expect it to be the case when your mob would have seized it as "proof" they were friends and/or that was not involved in the murder. :rolleyes:
 
knives?

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Bucketoftea,

your side? Our side? Their side? Sigh. Everyone's side pulls out their knives in a flash. None of the sides is any better than any of the others with regards to this type of behavior,

Dave
 
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Okay, in fairness to Amanda, maybe she didn't stretch her second toe while she was in prison. What then is the explanation for her foot not matching the "bloody footprint" found in her bedroom? We know her body is flooded with sex orgy hormones, so maybe those hormones caused ---what scientists call---an anomalous growth spurt to her second toe.

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funny cartoon...

Okay, in fairness to Amanda, maybe she didn't stretch her second toe while she was in prison. What then is the explanation for her foot not matching the "bloody footprint" found in her bedroom? We know her body was flooded with sex orgy hormones, so maybe those hormones caused ---what scientists call---an anomalous growth spurt to her second toe.
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Fine,

and I'm making a really wild guess here, but maybe (and this is a BIG maybe) because it isn't her footprint? I know this is radical (and out of the box) thinking, and I have no idea where this thought came from, but it is just a thought...

PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT the messenger!!!

Hehehe,

Dave

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As a courtesy to your reasoned rebuttal, which was as is your custom, very well written, but understandably after 65,000+/- in an identical vein, not noticeably 'new'.
(please note this as "acknowledgment")

I understand.

1) Until I hear "the other side of the story" about the C and V Report, I am not considering that at all in 'odds making'.
Obviously it as so far only superficially examined favors the Defense or the Defense would not have prematurely leaked it

You can read it for yourself to determine whether it favors the defense cosmetically or fundamentally. Another way of divining that might well be by scrutinizing the arguments made against it to see if they're relevant or accurate.

The only other significant event since the last verdict was the ridiculous and extremely self damning 'day of the deceivers'.
This when the defense requested and condoned Jailbird *fully* convicted horrendous child killer and sundry known liars making absolute fools of themselves and showing how utterly sorrowfully desperate the Defense really was in putting on that farce for all to sit through... and see through.

I found that curious as well. I think perhaps you overstate its relevance though, and if you'll look back through these threads you might notice the innocentisti weren't the ones expecting great things out of those witnesses, in fact for the most part you'll find pictures of little Tommy posted and indignant outrage from their condemners, with defensive explanations of the sordid and byzantine machinations of the Italian Court system in rebuttal. Although I will say that when I learned that Alessi had two corroborators and one was shrouded due to being a prosecution witness in another case, that testimony might not have been worthless, especially when one considers they did so under threat of sanction by the prosecution.

Think of it as a state witness and two corroborators, rather than kiddie-killer and friends as to what it actually meant to the court, especially the three professional judges, not what can be 'spun' out of it. However it was still entirely unnecessary to establish the non-guilt of Raffaele and Amanda, thus it is indeed something of a quandary. I'd go with some variation of 'byzantine' as an explanation.


Sorry to disappoint, but my 'odds' with the above in mind are almost the same as after the first trial's evidence ended....strongly and without an iota of *reasonable* doubt...guilty as charged.

Thus you are confident they will be convicted again, with a sentence similar to the one imposed by the Massei Court? Call it a 90% or so chance in your mind? I think the opposite, how strange!

Needless to say, in recognition of opposing "odds", I would again characterize a popular mantra here immediately after the C and V leak that "Its Over", "Truth has set them free", "They will be released at any hour" as pretty much little more than ill informed childish cheering rather than reasonable "bookmaking"

A little 'irrational exuberance' is sometimes excusable if it doesn't become a way of life, and remember who was not affected? I know you peruse his posts regularly, if frustrated in your aims to find a spelling error perhaps contemplating the meaning of them might provide insight, I've found it has. :)

2) Since day one I have repeatedly suggested others can and have argued this stuff from a guilty point of much better than I.
(e.g my error about blood in Amanda's room, albeit Dan O makes similar room error today)
Therefore I would not attempt to offer an "explanation" for your fanatically desired not guilty verdict.

This no more than I would proffer an "explanation" why OJ and Casey received this same verdict that you so strongly and steadfastly seek.

I don't think them similar at all. In fact I think you'll find that none of them had a half dozen books published proclaiming or strongly suggesting the innocence of the defendants before due process was even completed, and that the long-awaited refutation of them by the Times journalist whose role reporting this case to date could only be described as 'prosecution's bitch' has been twice delayed and now will allow for plenty of time to be completely re-written.

I think for both those the verdict was a big surprise, this one won't be for those who didn't get their information from the Rabbit Hole. Did you know the 'historiography' ( :p ) of these threads makes so much more sense when the fact Stilicho joined PMF on December 7th and Fiona circa December 11th of 2009 is taken into consideration? I'm sure you feel that was a wonderful development, I don't bring it up in scorn but to simply note that effect on this discussion.

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1) Since your "benighted" adjective sounds so much like like "be-knighted" it understandably calls to mind what many use to explain some FOAKers' feverish fervor and frequency of activity on behalf of Knox, their "fair maiden" in distress.
That is deep in their hearts, and strongly prompting their defense of Knox some FOAKer Groupies are really just "White Knight" wannabes.

You say that like it's a bad thing. :)

Like the world would be a better place if no one gave a damn or tried to help people. I thought Sancho had his head screwed on tighter and was funnier as well, but the story isn't quite the same without The Man From LaMancha. I've heard there's a prologue out there told by some Inquisition-era Latin, a brilliant fellow who for some reason kept popping up related to epic naval battles, something of a smart ass and maybe a cynic...or was he a subtle satirist? The life and the book tell such different stories...I think Broadway got it right...and perhaps it's time to see what happened after the curtain closed... ;)


This similar to the phenomenon and the many strange 'pop up protectors' of "Run Bambi Run" Lawrencia Bembenek, the former Playboy Club waitress turned police officer turned famed escaped-convict-on-the-loose.

Heh, I've linked accounts of that a couple times to make another point. I do recall seeing the 'Run Bambi Run' T-shirts around here though. Actually I've no real idea what happened, however it did instruct me that courts between even NATO allies can differ on matters of extradition, even with treaties. Frankly I thought the damned Canucks ought to of coughed her up at once!

2) Interesting, though the complete communications engineered acceptable definition of "benighted" (I unashamedly love such words)
I include it because it does not IMHO in any way describe you or your many arguments and thoughts here favoring innocence.
However, since you brought it up, it may very well describe many of the other *arguments* of others here.
(although most certainly I hasten to add, not in any way of course *arguers* here)

be·night·ed Adjective/biˈnītid/
1. In a state of pitiful or contemptible intellectual or moral ignorance, typically owing to a lack of opportunity.
2. Overtaken by darkness.

I suspect he understood how I meant it. :)
 
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unanswered questions

Too late for your stupid questions!
Bucketoftea,

Welcome to Ignore.
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For those who are new here, one can put members on his or her Ignore List just by clicking on the member's avatar and choosing it from the menu.
 
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But, this particular member is too important to put on ignore.

Why? Beacuse hers (his?) way of portraying the events that took place NOV 2007 in Perugia is a perfect example of a guilter, with illogical thinking, biased opinions and she(he?) represents the same attitude that all the guilters are known for - they're refusing to talk evidence, they're blind when it comes to the Massei report and they're more than "happy to do it" when it comes to smearing Amanda Knox.
 
BTW,
did anyone ever wonder why Amanda didn't wear her jacket when the police first arrived at the scene? She was wearing Raffaele's jacket, right?

Was it ever dicusscused? I know, this is insignificant, but I'm bored, while on vacation.
 
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ETA: There is a huge difference between leaving floral tributes in public places or specially-designated places (and usually very soon after the event) and fixing floral tributes to the gate of a private residential property three years after the event. But if you can provide other examples of total strangers leaving memorials three years after the event - whether in a public place or a private property - that would be interesting.


Other examples.

Posted: 5:54 am EDT July 7, 2011

Updated: 6:36 pm EDT July 7, 2011


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The Anthony neighborhood was quiet Thursday with a few people bringing flowers and toys to the memorial for Caylee in the swampy, mosquito-filled spot off where her remains were found.

"If Caylee could see all this, she would see how much people loved her," said 11-year-old Isobel Bulanhagui, who visited the memorial with her grandfather. The child pulled a battery out of her purse and laid it gently beside a sign that read "pass on the angel in your arms to your creator."

"I don't have much in my purse but this will give her energy," Isobel said.

The memorial, the fourth that has been erected since Caylee died, has quadrupled in size since Tuesday's verdict.

Hundreds of teddy bears and stuffed animals were piled on the dirt, with hand-written notes, many that disparaged Casey. More than two dozen flower bouquets sit wilting and 27 helium balloons are anchored to the ground.

George Anthony has asked the public to donate the items to charity rather than place them in the woods.


Posted: 8:57 pm EDT July 17, 2011
Updated: 5:20 am EDT July 18, 2011

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Hundreds of people spent Sunday visiting the site where Caylee Marie Anthony’s remains where found on Suburban Drive in East Orange County.

Nearly 200 also walked through the Anthony’s neighborhood to remember the 2-year old girl. They held signs, made shirts, and even brought gifts to leave at the site.

Eddie Delvalle organized the event because many in the community were furious that a jury found Caylee Anthony's mother, Casey Anthony, not guilty of murder, and was released from the Orange County jail early Sunday morning.

“We don’t have answers, there’s no finality to it. It just keeps it open,” Delvalle said.

Trina Brummett said the lack of closure in the case kept her awake Saturday, and it is why she brought her daughter to Sunday’s memorial on Suburban Drive.

“She walks and her baby’s life is gone, it’s just not fair,” said Brummett.

Delvalle led the group from the toddler’s grave site around the corner to Casey's parents, George and Cindy Anthony’s home, while a handful of Orange County deputies on ATV’s monitored the crowd. Delvalle asked the group to forgive the Anthony’s and to leave them in peace so, maybe, Caylee could find peace too.


These examples satisfy both of your public and private conditions, at the same time. The spot is on private property immediately beside a dead-end road going to an elementary school, in full view of the public.
 
I agree. I think it's good to leave flowers to commemorate the loss of a love one. A motorcyclist died in a collision with a car about two years ago only two blocks from where I live. They left flowers, pictures and candles there for two years. Then it stopped, presumably so they could move on with their lives.

Usually you don't see hate spewed at memorials. Ever see hate or political signs at the Vietnam memorial or, for that matter, any other memorial? Perhaps people in mourning don't want to cheapen the memory with hate and anger.

Perhaps the people that mix hate with a memorial either aren't sincere or don't know what a logical fallacy is.

It's always touching when people leave flowers to mourn for the loss of a loved one. It's touching that flowers were left for Meredith, but that doesn't mean Amanda and Raffaele are guilty.

I beg to differ with Chris and a few others - leaving artificial flowers is just unbelievably crass and tasteless.

Imagine them gradually accumulating dirt and grime over the following days and weeks.

The entire point of leaving blooms is to underline the transience of our lives - their beauty, then their wilting and decay is intended as a metaphor, is it not?
 
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