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Why not war against Islam?

Yeah, and you keep repeating the same thing again and again. That is my point.

What needs to be done is exactly what we are doing here. This is a public forum. Kids raised in Muslim families in the West and to some extent overseas can read this stuff.

Perhaps the thread title should have been 'Why not keep doing what we've been doing regarding Islam?'

If the kids in the west read the BS that Antpogo posted that Muhammed did not have sex with a 9 year old, we can set them straight provided that I have the time and the patience to set Antpogo straight.

Would it not be more conducive to conformity with Western standards if Muslims believed Aisha was possibly as old as 20 when she married Mohammed; given that some Salafite Sunnis use that notion to justify child marriage? If there are differing estimates of her age, and it is impossible to know for sure how old she really was when wed, shouldn't we prefer that Muslims embrace the position that she was older?
 
Bill isn't interested in promoting Muslim conformity with Western standards and values. In fact, he wants just the opposite: he wants to ensure that the only version of Islam that exists in the minds of both Westerners and Muslims is the most extreme and incompatible version possible.

Fortunately, it seems that he's facing an uphill battle, as long as things like this continue to happen in America.
 
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Of course not. I'm saying you can't single out Muslims and claim that their religion is somehow worse than the others. You can't blame all Muslims for the actions and ideas of the worst among them and then ignore the fact that Christianity has had its share of horrors during its history.


The OP is about Islam not Christianity so why do you keep bringing it up?

I've noticed that all you Islamophiles always have to take a slam at Christianity.

Why is that?
 
The OP is about Islam not Christianity so why do you keep bringing it up?

I've noticed that all you Islamophiles always have to take a slam at Christianity.

Why is that?

maybe they are fed up with the Christianisation in their country? :p
 
The OP is about Islam not Christianity so why do you keep bringing it up?

I've noticed that all you Islamophiles always have to take a slam at Christianity.

Why is that?

Because Islam doesn't exist in either a social, geopolitical, or religious vacuum. Because people will wonder why you're focusing your attention on the threat to the West post by the tenets of a religion that's at most a tiny minority in the West, while totally ignoring how the dominant religion in the West has virtually identical tenets. Because you can't you can't talk about how one religion is particular evil in the hierarchy of evil religions without detailing the comparison that led you to that conclusion.

The "Islamophiles" accusation is a nice touch, though.
 
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The OP is about Islam not Christianity so why do you keep bringing it up? I've noticed that all you Islamophiles always 65 tyj to take a slam at Christianity. Why is that?

Stop being "disingenuous" (I'm being polite). If people undertake to persuade their fellow citizens to go to war, they have to consider this question among others: exactly what outcome of the war would they consider to represent a victory? That is, crudely, what are the "war aims"?

That question is incomprehensible in relation to a war on "Islam" because it is NOT A CORPORATE BODY that can decide to resist, surrender, or sue for peace on terms. If you go to war with, for example, Slovenia, then you could make demands on the Slovene government, and if these were agreed, that would be victory. But there is no such entity within Islam or any other religion, so "war on Islam" can mean nothing but war on Muslims. That's why religious wars are so bloody and interminable. They go on until one side or the other is annihilated, or until the society in which they are waged disintegrates.

I don't want that. It's got nothing to do with being an Islamophile or wanting to slam Christianity. If anyone proposed a war on Christianity my reaction would be exactly the same.
 
The OP is about Islam not Christianity so why do you keep bringing it up?

I've noticed that all you Islamophiles always have to take a slam at Christianity.

Why is that?

Because for some reason people try to make a distinction between the two. The shocker is no difference.
 
The OP is about Islam not Christianity so why do you keep bringing it up?
Because the specific post that I was responding to singled out Islam as uniquely bad among religions. Using Christianity as an example points out the fallacy of that post.

I've noticed that all you Islamophiles always have to take a slam at Christianity.
As long as we're making generalizations, can I label you as someone who attaches the label "Islamophile" to anyone who disagrees with any criticism of any aspect of Islam or Muslims?

Why is that?
As I am in no way an "Islamophile", I'm afraid that your question is best answered by your own strawman than by myself.
 
ANTpogo

Well said.
you can't talk about how one religion is particular evil in a hierarchy of evil religions without detailing the comparison that led you to that conclusion.
The "war on Islam"-mongers know this perfectly well, and their complaints about ad hominem, strawmen, why are Islamophiles attacking Christianity in a thread devoted to the evils of Islam, I don't understand the relevance of your remarks, what are you getting at, etc etc, are simply so many cynical devices intended to avert to a reasoned argument they are not even interested in, let alone have any prospect of winning.

Imagine we start a thread in an astronomy forum - subject: Venus is the brightest planet. You contribute a post to the effect that you saw Jupiter last night and it looked really bright too. But you get denounced. This thread is about Venus, not Jupiter; you must be some kind of "Jovophile" even to mention Jupiter, and so on.

In effect, that's what the warmongers are saying. They're not serious. They're not that stupid; it's a concealment strategy, a smokescreen.

Like Bill Thompson saying that the USA has been at war against Islam, against Muslims "practicing the direct commands of the Koran", when the US government was careful to assert the exact opposite. It was fighting pirates who happened to be Muslims, and who had some sort of protection deal going with the ruler of Tripoli. (Caribbean pirates of the 18th century happened to be mainly Christians, as if it makes any difference.) Presumably the Turks with whom the USA was not at war, because Turkey wasn't a nest of pirates, weren't practicing the direct commands of their own religion, and therefore weren't real Muslims.

But enough! They spout such nonsense merely because they want to foment hostility against Muslims among the less well-informed part of the population of the USA. Unlike the government of the United States in 1797, they do in fact have
enmity against the laws, religion or tranquillity of Musselmen.
 
DC, you have, after finding out that you really don' know what Islam is like in Muslim countries, you have found it necessary to pretend to know what American politics are like?
 
DC, you have, after finding out that you really don' know what Islam is like in Muslim countries, you have found it necessary to pretend to know what American politics are like?

lol i learned nothing from you about Islam. You got it mostly totally wrong :)
you also got it wrong about Germany and Scientology
You also got it wrong with Mormons and interracial mariage

Is there something you did not get wrong?
 
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Do you think AntPogo's view that Muhammed did not have s 9 year old bride is right?

not sure, i actually go with the 6 years at marriage and 9 at sex with her.
but i do know not all muslims agree with that. others do. I guess they would interpret it differently if that was allowed :D

btw, you did even get the Diskeeper Germany story wrong, lol, amazing.

you are just trolling us. nobody can be that wrong all the time, statistically impossible, sometimes you just MUST get something right.

what is the color of the sky?
 
Folks drop the personal stuff and the bickering and keep to the topic of this thread, which is not each other!
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat
 
Because Islam doesn't exist in either a social, geopolitical, or religious vacuum. Because people will wonder why you're focusing your attention on the threat to the West post by the tenets of a religion that's at most a tiny minority in the West, while totally ignoring how the dominant religion in the West has virtually identical tenets. Because you can't you can't talk about how one religion is particular evil in the hierarchy of evil religions without detailing the comparison that led you to that conclusion.

The "Islamophiles" accusation is a nice touch, though.

So you can't deny Islam without slamming Christianity? I dislike all religions equally but I haven't seen any videos of Christians cutting off the hands and feet of others.
 
So you can't deny Islam without slamming Christianity? I dislike all religions equally but I haven't seen any videos of Christians cutting off the hands and feet of others.

that is because Christianity is a religion of love, they dont cut off hand and feeds.

 
So you can't deny Islam without slamming Christianity?

"Deny" Islam? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

But while it's certainly possible to discuss Islam without also discussing Christianity, the strong similarities and the historical and doctrinal connections between the two make it difficult. And in the context of claims like those made by the OP and elsewhere in this thread, it's pretty much impossible.

I dislike all religions equally but I haven't seen any videos of Christians cutting off the hands and feet of others.

You can always go to Uganda and the Congo to witness it in person.
 

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