Bigfoot DNA

[Deacondark]

You're reading wayyy to much into this. You know as well as I do there is no body. This is all part of the game to generate interest and dollars, and good ole legend fun.

Of course there is no body. It just blows my mind that people think there is. Whats going on right now is a bunch of people trying to figure out how to handle a tall tale that's gotten way out of hand.

 

[William Parcher]

It just blows my mind that people think there is.

It shouldn't surprise you. They apparently believe in Bigfoot and also that somebody could shoot one. There are also those who believe the Albert Ostman story. They believe in Bigfoot and also believe that a Bigfoot could abduct a person.

Underlying this is their belief that at least some Bigfoot storytellers are telling the truth.

 

[John Albert]

It shouldn't surprise you. They apparently believe in Bigfoot and also that somebody could shoot one. There are also those who believe the Albert Ostman story. They believe in Bigfoot and also believe that a Bigfoot could abduct a person.

Underlying this is their belief that at least some Bigfoot storytellers are telling the truth.

At least a few of them are apparently willing to believe even weirder stuff...

 

[DennyT]

Paulides apparently went into Hoopa and other NA communities and offered payments to tribal members who would describe Bigfoot to his forensic artist. I won't say that the money was an inducement to make up stories, but some have commented on the resemblance of the sketches to Paulides himself.
What does one suppose would then happen when the white guy with the money says he will pay even more money to anyone who brings in hair or any part of a Bigfoot?
Of course, the specimens will come, and the bearers will manage to keep a straight face.

 

[mustbeso]

I don't know how many of you are keeping up with the 'Sierra kills' storyline via Robert Lindsay, but it gets wierder by the day. If you read between the lines it seems some of the parties are trying to get out from under this fiasco while the true believers lap up everything. I don't know if Richard Stubstad is a complete stooge or complicit in this nonsense but he is posting many strange things on Robert Lindsay's blog. There are at least three different scenarios involving the killing of two bigfoots and the sending of a "bigfoot steak" carved from one of the dead critters to Melba Ketchum or perhaps someone else? That nobody bothered to take a picture of the corpses and that there is no provenance, no chain of evidence whatsoever bothers none of them one little bit. It seems the deeper this gets the more impossible it will be for most of them to save face and that should be high drama in the end.

 

[Deacondark]

It seems the deeper this gets the more impossible it will be for most of them to save face and that should be high drama in the end.

And I for one can't wait! It's going to get good folks. This will make the Georgia Bigfoot fiasco look like child's play!

 

[LTC8K6]

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/mike-rigg-on-the-sierra-kills/

 

[John Albert]

These bigfoot doofuses are nothing but a bunch of scammers after a quick buck.

There's no evidence, just some scraps of hair that's obviously human. There's no way this can ever top the guys in Georgia a few years back with the ice-frozen Bigfoot corpse.

 

[Deacondark]

These bigfoot doofuses are nothing but a bunch of scammers after a quick buck.

There's no evidence, just some scraps of hair that's obviously human. There's no way this can ever top the guys in Georgia a few years back with the ice-frozen Bigfoot corpse.

I think the fallout will exceed the Georgia hoax. This has been building up for years, and a lot more people have their reputations at stake in this. Georgia was just Biscardi, and his reputation is, well, less than stellar anyway.

 

[John Albert]

I think the fallout will exceed the Georgia hoax. This has been building up for years, and a lot more people have their reputations at stake in this. Georgia was just Biscardi, and his reputation is, well, less than stellar anyway.

It's always good fun when Bigfoot hoaxes are debunked. But what made the 2008 story especially hilarious was the way it unfolded in the media. By the time they thawed it out and the press started having a field day with the fact it was a cheapass store-bought gorilla costume, the two Georgia guys (one of whom was a cop) had already absconded with the investors' cash, forestalling the inevitable day of reckoning and drawing out the drama.

Whatever happens behind this might prove more devastating for the BF-hunters' community, but I doubt it will pack the same dramatic impact for the average, casual viewers at home.

 

[HarryHenderson]

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/mike-rigg-on-the-sierra-kills/

"...For the record, I do believe that Justin Smeja shot and killed two Bigfoots in that region in late October of last year. The story simply must be true, as unbelievable as it sounds..."

What's 'unbelievable' is a serious assertion that the story 'simply must be true'. It just 'simply must' huh? Because if it isn't it would surely hurt morale amongst the faithful? We all know the Bigfoot Faithful Local 69 union contract vote is coming up and you don't want the rank-and-file members to lose the faith just when you need them the most?

 

[John Albert]

For the life of me I'll never understand why some people believe so strongly in this weird thing that they need so desperately to see its existence verified.

 

[River]

For the life of me I'll never understand why some people believe so strongly in this weird thing that they need so desperately to see its existence verified.

Hello just about all religions

 

[William Parcher]

I think the fallout will exceed the Georgia hoax. This has been building up for years, and a lot more people have their reputations at stake in this. Georgia was just Biscardi, and his reputation is, well, less than stellar anyway.

I don't think there was any significant fallout from the Georgia Hoax.

But this new thing (which is actually multiple simultaneous things) cannot really have the slam dunk instant debunk in your face that was the Georgia thing. I was the first to conclusively debunk the Georgia Hoax by showing the photo of the frozen Bigfoot next to the photo of the commercial Bigfoot mask. I didn't even put any text into that post. It was just picture next to picture and that was worth 1000 words. Over and done in one single post. Instantly, there was no way for anyone to explain that the body was real and that was even before it was thawed out and found to be a costume with some possum guts. Very obviously an intentional hoax.

But nothing like that will be available for the coming DNA stuff. We may never even get to see any photos of the original material submitted for testing (bone, tooth, "steak", hair, etc). We may never even get to see any actual copies of the DNA analysis results in a raw uninterpreted form (straight from the lab). If the paper(s) are rejected by mainstream scientific journals we may never even get to see the actual full explanation of why they were rejected.

Even in a worst case scenario they still have "good faith mistakes" fallbacks. We really thought we had Bigfoot biological material but I guess we didn't after all. We thought the bone fragment was Bigfoot but it wasn't. We thought the hair was Bigfoot but it wasn't. Etc. This kind of damage control essentially can absolve Bigfootery and specific Bigfooters of intentional hoaxery in a way that the Georgia scam never could.

I don't see how this is going to wreck Bigfootery when you have all these folks saying that they've seen Bigfoot with their own eyes. The PGF isn't suddenly going to become fake in the eyes of the believers no matter what is the outcome of this DNA thing. These make up the solid rock foundation of Bigfootery and it isn't going away.

 

[Drewbot]

It will just be another FAIL!!11! on the part of Bigfooters to hype something up, and hope the proof shakes out from the hype.

 

[Cainkane1]

And 19% possum.

Maybe it was a Boogy name Frito. He's a halfling. Half boggie half opposum.

 

[John Albert]

For the life of me I'll never understand why some people believe so strongly in this weird thing that they need so desperately to see its existence verified.

Hello just about all religions

I don't think most religious people desperately need a miracle to prove to everyone how correct they are. I believe most religious folks just live every day with their beliefs as a matter of fact. They do the rituals and meditate on the lessons because there's comfort in going through the motions they've been taught since birth, that are socially acceptable to the community they identify with.

On the other hand, it appears that these bigfooters, like the flying saucerers, are in the unenviable position of having an irrational belief in this wacky pop-culture thing that most people find laughable. So they catch a lot of crap about it from family, friends, associates, and anyone else not similarly obsessed. Seems like it would be a constant source of doubt, causing a lot of internal struggle. Quite a different situation from the average religioid.

While religion may be irrational, most of its adherents don't appear crazy, whereas most bigfooters certainly do. Bigfootery is more like an obsessive doomsday cult: desperately anticipating, right on the cusp of the Earth-shattering event that will prove them right in their beliefs, and everybody else wrong.

No wonder they consistently fall prey to con-men, hucksters and charlatans.

 

[DennyT]

I don't think there was any significant fallout from the Georgia Hoax.

But this new thing (which is actually multiple simultaneous things) cannot really have the slam dunk instant debunk in your face that was the Georgia thing. ...

But nothing like that will be available for the coming DNA stuff. We may never even get to see any photos of the original material submitted for testing (bone, tooth, "steak", hair, etc). We may never even get to see any actual copies of the DNA analysis results in a raw uninterpreted form (straight from the lab). If the paper(s) are rejected by mainstream scientific journals we may never even get to see the actual full explanation of why they were rejected.

Even in a worst case scenario they still have "good faith mistakes" fallbacks. We really thought we had Bigfoot biological material but I guess we didn't after all. We thought the bone fragment was Bigfoot but it wasn't. We thought the hair was Bigfoot but it wasn't. Etc. This kind of damage control essentially can absolve Bigfootery and specific Bigfooters of intentional hoaxery in a way that the Georgia scam never could.

I don't see how this is going to wreck Bigfootery when you have all these folks saying that they've seen Bigfoot with their own eyes. The PGF isn't suddenly going to become fake in the eyes of the believers no matter what is the outcome of this DNA thing. These make up the solid rock foundation of Bigfootery and it isn't going away.

Cult behavior:
The majority of believers will find confirmation in whatever DNA results are released. It doesn't matter what the results are. As I have been saying for months, "human" is a fine result for footers; but it must 1) somehow be distinguishable from garden variety white Anglo DNA, and 2) appear to be somewhat consistent across long distances.

Both of these requirements are easily met by collecting specimens from a small isolated tribe and then representing that the samples were collected in widely separated locations.

The Georgia hoax held up bigfootery to ridicule in the eyes of non believers. But for the majority of believers it was just an incentive to proselytize more fervently. This flurry of activity, if its a complete bust, will go pretty much unnoticed by the general public. For the footers, there will always be tomorrow.

 

[Tontar]

I don't think there was any significant fallout from the Georgia Hoax.

But this new thing (which is actually multiple simultaneous things) cannot really have the slam dunk instant debunk in your face that was the Georgia thing. I was the first to conclusively debunk the Georgia Hoax by showing the photo of the frozen Bigfoot next to the photo of the commercial Bigfoot mask. I didn't even put any text into that post. It was just picture next to picture and that was worth 1000 words. Over and done in one single post. Instantly, there was no way for anyone to explain that the body was real and that was even before it was thawed out and found to be a costume with some possum guts. Very obviously an intentional hoax.

But nothing like that will be available for the coming DNA stuff. We may never even get to see any photos of the original material submitted for testing (bone, tooth, "steak", hair, etc). We may never even get to see any actual copies of the DNA analysis results in a raw uninterpreted form (straight from the lab). If the paper(s) are rejected by mainstream scientific journals we may never even get to see the actual full explanation of why they were rejected.

Even in a worst case scenario they still have "good faith mistakes" fallbacks. We really thought we had Bigfoot biological material but I guess we didn't after all. We thought the bone fragment was Bigfoot but it wasn't. We thought the hair was Bigfoot but it wasn't. Etc. This kind of damage control essentially can absolve Bigfootery and specific Bigfooters of intentional hoaxery in a way that the Georgia scam never could.

I don't see how this is going to wreck Bigfootery when you have all these folks saying that they've seen Bigfoot with their own eyes. The PGF isn't suddenly going to become fake in the eyes of the believers no matter what is the outcome of this DNA thing. These make up the solid rock foundation of Bigfootery and it isn't going away.

Well, there is the video evidence they supposedly have. They say they have video of a sleeping squatch that gets up and walks away, and numerous other video clips of other squatches. Of course, nobody objective has seen those yet, they don't seem to be available or leaked anywhere.

I can see how the whole project can sort of disintegrate into the mist if done with various mutinies, political desertions into obscurity and so on, and eventually people (bigfooters) will just let it die in peace, knowing that there is something suspicious about it enough to let it go and not drag it out as an embarrassing skeleton in the closet.

That said, I'd still like to see the videos they say they have. And yeah, I do see some parallels to the whole Roger Patterson, PGF marketing machine trying to hype the whole "project" up. But at least the PGF made a debut.

 

[William Parcher]

The majority of believers will find confirmation in whatever DNA results are released. It doesn't matter what the results are.

There may be no raw analysis released at all. If journals reject the Ketchum paper the results won't be published unless she chooses to do it on her own. Who knows if the raw data would be shown or a narrative interpretation instead (the data would be gibberish to you guys so I'm just gonna tell you what it shows). She has already said that any rejection would be strictly because of anti-Bigfoot bias and not because of the actual science.