Merged Lockerbie bomber alive after 9 months

And while we're at it, could I just mention the Good Friday Agreement, and the release of some absolutely sickening terrorists who definitely no question killed British people with Semtex supplied by Gadaffi no less. These pond scum weren't even ill. They were released free and clear, and the relatives of their victims just had to suck it up.

And the US government was enthusiastically in favour of this.

Rolfe.
 
Of course, the three month (estimated) prognosis and treatment caterwauling strenuously avoid the real issues surrounding Mr Megrahi which is whether there are any doubts whatsoever about the man's guilt in the first instance. To which all those, even with a cursory knowledge of the facts behind the conviction, know only too well there were at least six reasons to doubt and question the Zeist courts judgement.

As surely only once these most relevant issues and doubts have been questioned and tested in court can we then make further enquiries about any subsequent events? And indeed if it were concluded the convictee had suffered a miscarriage of justice, then the question of not only who were the actual perpetrators of the 103 attrocity would require re-examination, but just as significantly, why it took until 8 years to release the man and only when he fulfilled the requirements of a terminally ill patient.
 
Good move, that could have been a derail, you're right.

I don't know any more than I said. Someone in the SNP knows someone in Libya who knows someone who said.... I'm at least fifth-hand on the email trail.

There was a newspaper article months ago that said Megrahi was actually dead, so I don't necessarily believe every rumour I hear.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
Good move, that could have been a derail, you're right.

I don't know any more than I said. Someone in the SNP knows someone in Libya who knows someone who said.... I'm at least fifth-hand on the email trail.

There was a newspaper article months ago that said Megrahi was actually dead, so I don't necessarily believe every rumour I hear.

Rolfe.
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Yes, the Megrahi was dead rumor came out last year.
But you sounded pretty sure in the other forum about the above comment and source with your additional comment:
There have been misleading reports on that subject before, however this one is well sourced.
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Well sourced, huh?
 
I meant, it wasn't just a journalist writing copy without the reader having any clue what the source was, that's all.

Rolfe.
 
Two years.....I one thing for certain, if I get cancer I'm going to Libya!
 
I don't think anyone really knows if he's alive or dead at this point. I dunno if you've been following current events, but for the past few months Libya hasn't exactly been the poster child for stable government.
 
Cleon said:
I don't think anyone really knows if he's alive or dead at this point. I dunno if you've been following current events, but for the past few months Libya hasn't exactly been the poster child for stable government.
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Yes, but he had been around in pro-Quaddafi rallies supporting him during these events.
 
It seems the drug that's keeping him alive was developed by British scientists but has not been approved for use by the NHS, because it's too expensive!

But even if it is approved it is feared the drug, to be marketed by Johnson and Johnson under the name Zytiga and costing around £3,000 a month, may be too costly for use on the NHS.
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So the question becomes, who's supplying al-Mergrahi this drug, the Americans or the British? And what continues to stink about this sordid mess is that is was known in 2008 that this drug had great potential. All those "experts" had to know that he would live longer than 3 months because he could get this drug once he left Scotland.

July 23, 2008:
In trials at the Institute of Cancer Research and the Royal Marsden Hospital, the majority of patients with the previously untreatable and advanced cancer are said to have experienced "significant" regression of the disease.
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Kenny MacAskill, annoucing his decision to release al-Megrahi, August 20, 2009:
Assessment by a range of specialists has reached the firm consensus that his disease is, after several different trials of treatment, "hormone resistant" - that is resistant to any treatment options of known effectiveness.
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Bolding mine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ng-the-Lockerbie-Bomber-Al-Megrahi-alive.html

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/He...ems-To-Shrink-Tumours/Article/200807415048791
 
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So the question becomes, who's supplying al-Mergrahi this drug, the Americans or the British?

July 23, 2008:
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I'd be very surprised to learn that the USA and UK can control the entire global drug supply.

I'm not versed-up enough to know exactly why some treatments are available in some countries and not others.

The guy's still alive which is fine by me because I've come to the conclusion that he's innocent.



CTB
 
Alt+F4 said:
It seems the drug that's keeping him alive was developed by British scientists but has not been approved for use by the NHS, because it's too expensive!



So the question becomes, who's supplying al-Mergrahi this drug, the Americans or the British? And what continues to stink about this sordid mess is that is was known in 2008 that this drug had great potential. All those "experts" had to know that he would live longer than 3 months because he could get this drug once he left Scotland.

July 23, 2008:


Kenny MacAskill, annoucing his decision to release al-Megrahi, August 20, 2009:


Bolding mine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ng-the-Lockerbie-Bomber-Al-Megrahi-alive.html

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/He...ems-To-Shrink-Tumours/Article/200807415048791
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You failed to understand what approved means in the UK. Try again
 
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You failed to understand what approved means in the UK. Try again
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You fail to understand the Scottish government lied when declaring that there were "no tretment options of known effectiveness". Try again.

Unless Scottish oncologists are so incompetent that they wouldn't have known the results of the widely reported clinical trials conducted a year before al-Megrahi's release.

Prof. Roger Kirby, a consultant urologist at the Prostate Cancer Center in London, said doctors in Scotland would have been unaware of the new hormone-based therapy abiraterone.
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Why not just say there are new, cutting-edge treatments being developed in the UK but they aren't available here yet?

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/08/20/general-eu-britain-lockerbie_8632971.html
 
Alt+F4 said:
You fail to understand the Scottish government lied when declaring that there were "no tretment options of known effectiveness". Try again.
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I didnt even mention that. Epic fail. Just because you made a boo boo you cannot just make stuff up to try and cover your red face.

Unless Scottish oncologists are so incompetent that they wouldn't have known the results of the widely reported clinical trials conducted a year before al-Megrahi's release.
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They couldnt use it for Megrahi though could they? So what happened in a few months time when he didn't get it?

Why not just say there are new, cutting-edge treatments being developed in the UK but they aren't available here yet?
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Here? UK? Where do you think Scotland is?
 
funk de fino said:
I didnt even mention that. Epic fail. Just because you made a boo boo you cannot just make stuff up to try and cover your red face.
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No "boo boo". There was a new treatment at the time of his release even if it was only in clinical trials.

They couldnt use it for Megrahi though could they? So what happened in a few months time when he didn't get it?
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He got it, but we don't know when or how. But one thing is certain, he got it from the US or the UK.

Here? UK? Where do you think Scotland is?
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Yes, they are being developed in the UK and they aren't available here, Scotland. Sorry, epic failure at reading comprehension on your part.
 
CTB said:
I haven't the faintest idea who blew PA 103 from the skies. Could be citizens from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, South Africa, Israel, USSR, Palestine, India, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Luxembourg or any RandomBunchOfNutcases with some cash and a point to prove. It is interesting that no claim of responsibility was ever taken seriously.
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Two separate issues going on here. One: is al-Mergrahi guilty, and two: was his compassionate release appropriate? I think this blogger got it right:

If you murder 270 people no punishment will be enough. You will not live long enough to serve an adequately long prison sentence no matter how long you live. That, at some stage, you have only a few months to live would not be a justification for ending that punishment. Compassion would be an appropriate motive for giving you medical treatment if you became ill but not for setting you free.

If Mr al-Megrahi was wrongly convicted, he did not deserve to be in prison. He should have been released -- but not on the grounds of compassion. He should have been released on the grounds of justice.

If, as Mr MacAskill's decision assumes, he is guilty of killing 270 people, he deserves to be in jail whether he is terminally ill or not. His terminal illness is irrelevant to the justice of his punishment. To give him medical treatment is an appropriate compassionate response.
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http://lockerbiecase.blogspot.com/2010/12/compassionate-release-not-appropriate.html
 
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No "boo boo". There was a new treatment at the time of his release even if it was only in clinical trials.
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You made a false claim that your ego seemingly prevents you from admitting. I made no claims apart from that yet you tried to make out I did.

He got it, but we don't know when or how. But one thing is certain, he got it from the US or the UK.
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Prove it.

Yes, they are being developed in the UK and they aren't available here, Scotland. Sorry, epic failure at reading comprehension on your part.
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They are not approved in Scotland, UK or EU. Double fail.

It is not difficult. Just repeat after me "I made a false claim about the drug approval"
 
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