Sure some things are silly from the outset no doubt. Death Rays..etc. But I don't believe this is one of them. There is definitely something that resembles a flame that comes out of the back of the A/C, and than something flash BEFORE the A/C hits. What is it? I don't know?
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Sure some things are silly from the outset no doubt. Death Rays..etc. But I don't believe this is one of them. There is definitely something that resembles a flame that comes out of the back of the A/C, and than something flash BEFORE the A/C hits. What is it? I don't know?
EventHorizon
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What would be the point of firing a missile at the building a split second before the plane hit the building? At that point, even if it wasn't fired the missile would still hit the building.
TJM
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tmd, I'd like your comments on these, if you will.
The top photo is typical YouTube multi-compressed crap that is often used by truthers to prove... something. No wonder you folk are confused. The photo underneath it is a grab from a better quality video. Notice anything different?
If that isn't enough then please take the time to view this:
That video was created by JREF member Femr2. Thank you Femr2.
As you can see from the video, there is no missile racing "along side" or otherwise. Also do note that the "flash" occurs immediately AFTER the PLANE HITS THE BUILDING.
The top photo is typical YouTube multi-compressed crap that is often used by truthers to prove... something. No wonder you folk are confused. The photo underneath it is a grab from a better quality video. Notice anything different?
If that isn't enough then please take the time to view this:
That video was created by JREF member Femr2. Thank you Femr2.
As you can see from the video, there is no missile racing "along side" or otherwise. Also do note that the "flash" occurs immediately AFTER the PLANE HITS THE BUILDING.
Hey...you graced with another post. I mean lowering yourself two times in one thread...must take a lot out of you.
You being the astute 9/11 researcher you are I'm sure you realized that there is indeed a flash seen when the first plane hits the north tower. As seen in the below video. It was also mentioned in this thread but I'm sure this is all an over sight on your part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRL_IptUYTA&feature=related
Hmmm...that's the only two we have videos on. I know there's those 5 frames of the pentagon, but who knows what's going on there. But you know maybe if take a look at those other videos we could clear it up. Oh that's right they won't release it.
Let me know when you find that video of the crash in PA. I do look forward to seeing it.
So let's see the only two there are video of we have flashes.
The purpose of having a missile or incendiary? Oh I don't know they may have wanted to ensure total penetration, we couldn't have any of those parts flying to the ground could we? So we could see it may not belong there, much easier to deny a video than the actual part. It also wouldn't make a bigger explosion would it? You know for dramatic effect?
As for Lloyde he said what he said, no one had a gun to his head. I'm convinced you guys just have a certain set of replies to things. Look at every post I made anywhere I don't believe I ever mentioned a word about Barry Jennings. But in your case I can understand, you can only grace us once and a while, and can't be bothered with little details like that.
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Nope not at all, clearly before...clearly.
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The big circular "flash" on the building just before the plane makes contact is the weather radar arcing the aluminum cladding.
No I've said many times many of you one of me, I miss things. What can you show me that supports this? I would think it actually needs to make contact before anything happens.
TJM
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Yep, just as I figured. You're already trying to distance yourself from it.
Your handwave won't cut it, but your dishonesty is noted and clear for all to see. Congratulations truther.
Yep, just as I figured. You're already trying to distance yourself from it.
Your handwave won't cut it, but your dishonesty is noted and clear for all to see. Congratulations truther.
This video go to about the 16 second mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRL_IptUYTA&feature=related
Measurements prove you WRONG!
There's two pages on the flashes at 911 review'
http://911review.com/errors/phantom/st_impact.html
INCLUDES 3 STILLS FROM 3 VIDEOS SHOWING FLASHES
"Von Kleist and other missile theorists state that the flashes occur before the plane hits the South Tower, ignoring that the fuselage enters the Tower's shadow just before impact. Close examination of the footage, noting the distance from the aircraft wings to its nose, shows that the flashes happen just as contact begins".
" The most plausible explanation for the flashes we've seen is that the kinetic energy of the collisions vaporized a mix of materials, including steel and aluminum, which were rapidly oxidized by the pressure and heat of the 400+ mph collision. Perhaps the flashes are entirely explainable by the oxidation of aluminum"
Analysis of Aluminum Impact Flashes in the WTC Crashes
http://911review.com/errors/phantom/flash.html
WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
TJM
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Aside from the presence of a missile, the one thing I see lacking is your analysis.
Craig4
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Yes, this would be worth spending time on if there was a missile. Being as there no missile and abundant evidence of a plane hitting the buildings it's not a logical line of inquiry.
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It does make contact, the pictures clearly show this! You made your mind up before that these flashes are suspicious and it's affecting your vision. You were told of a flash in the F-4 test crash too, do you think this fired something at the wall before impact too?
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In this photo taken from the website cyclonic linked to, the nose of the aircraft has clearly made contact with the building and the flash is present as a bright white light. Definitely not a flame, and definitely occuring as the nose makes contact.
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Most of the flashes are probably JPEG artefacts. Especially since they are not apparent in other videos. Read up on JPEG compression to understand why it can create these things. Even on fairly smooth textures, JPEG can create this kind of noise; add flying debris, smoke, fast-moving objects, fire and explosions, and the occasional white pixel is almost a given.
The main problem is that you and other people try to make close-up studies far beyond the resolution limit of the pictures. On any reproduction, heck even in real life, if you zoom in too far, the picture gets lost in noise. For electronic pictures, a good rule of thumb is: When you start seeing pixels, you have zoomed in too far.
However:
On some of the better resolution videos, you see an interesting phenomenon, just before the nose of the plane makes contact with the face of the building:
A round white flash appears right in front of the nose, just prior to the yellow flash from the actual contact. - On low res copies, this may well give the impression that the flash starts before contact.
So what is the white flash? - It is condensation as the shock-wave from the plane hits the building and air pressure starts to build up between the nose of the plane and the building surface. When a large object approaches an obstacle at a considerable fraction of the speed of sound (in this case about 75%) the air between them is compressed and starts to escape with explosive force, and I should not be surprised if windows were starting to shatter in that zone, while the plane was still ten feet away.
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That one is after contact, but one of the hi res videos (linked in some earlier post, here) actually shows a white flash just before impact, as I explained above. In the moment of impact, there is a yellow flash as impact energy begins to be released, then the fuselage penetrates the surface of the building, the fireworks*) move inwards, and the flash disappears, to be replaced a second or two later by bursts of smoke and fire from the fireball.
Hans
*) Sorry to use such an insensitive term for this horrible event, but ... normal language fails.
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Duh! Look at the engines, just visible at the left edge. Is this a special snub-nosed Boeing? No, the first 15 feet or so have already entered the building on that picture! An object the size and weight of a bus has already crashed into the side of the building, at 300kts. I would be somewhat suspicious if there were no flashes.
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Then you are a liar. You know there's no missile, yet you won't actually say there's no missile. You're not a f2 sockpuppet are you?
NoahFence
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And it wasn't an incendiary, either. Tell the class how you suppose an incendiary was delivered.