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Why not war against Islam?

Bill

You seem to have become incoherent. Drink a cup of hot camomile tea, and lie down for a while. It never fails.
 
Bill Thompson said:
But then why do you even participate in this discussion thread?
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Because it annoys me when people talk, especially in an authoritative fashion, about a subject they have zero knowledge of. Especially when the things they say are simply rote cut-and-paste repetitions from biased websites filled with outright lies, with no attempt whatsoever being made by these people to actually educate themselves by going directly to the very many primary and scholarly resources that are available.

It's the same reason I've spent so much time in the evolution threads here, too.

You then demand that Christianity is a bigger fear. I still don't see how.
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That's your problem, not mine. I've said all I'm going to say on that particular topic. In this thread, at least.

Now you seem to be saying you are neitther for or against Islam. I do not know if you are for or against going to war with Islam.
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I would have thought I'd have made that pretty clear by now.

You seem to have a desire to take this tread and steer it into another direction. Am I right?
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Not in the least.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Do you have any link to this story?
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there are many links to many stories.
officials started rounding up queers in ghana a couple of weeks ago.
google: homosexuals arrested ghana
uganda has been debating the death penalry for queers.
google: uganda homosexuals death penalty
this is because of the influence of american evangelicals.
google: evangelicals homosexuals africa
 
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Bill Thompson said:
At the beginning of Naziism, people in the USA who were against it were called paranoid. If being against Naziism are paranoid, then sure, you can call me paranoid.

That is what you are doing now to me about Islam. If someone is against it, they are paranoid.

Ad Hominim attack. Google it.

How is my fear irrational? You cannot answer that question. Because it isn't.

You want to label someone paranoid so you can dismiss them. Considering that they are right or have a point is too much of a challenge to you.

When the Nazi movement was starting, people thought it was harmless. People who spoke out against it were considered paranoid. It turned out the people calling the other people paranoid were stupid.
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I try not to bring up Nazis, but since the topic has been broached, I have to say that does sound familiar. Right-wing idealogues demonizing a religious minority while advocating a return to traditional values. But it's probably nothing to worry about.
 
Mister Agenda said:
This is interesting:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...se-all-issues/2011/summer/jihad-against-islam
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From the last paragraph:

It is particularly perplexing trying to discern the ultimate goal of this corps of activists. If their aim is to isolate and destroy the violence-prone fanatical Muslim fringe, then it doesn't make sense to undermine moderate Muslims and argue that only confirmed terrorists are interpreting the Koran correctly.
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FireGarden said:
From the last paragraph:
It is particularly perplexing trying to discern the ultimate goal of this corps of activists. If their aim is to isolate and destroy the violence-prone fanatical Muslim fringe, then it doesn't make sense to undermine moderate Muslims and argue that only confirmed terrorists are interpreting the Koran correctly.
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This is a statement about tactics. It's obviously rhetorical, because it seems that they already think they know what they are trying to do:

Rarely has the United States seen a more reckless and bare-knuckled campaign to vilify a distinct class of people and compromise their fundamental civil and human rights than the recent rhetoric against Muslims.
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Frankly, I think that this is a bit of an exaggeration and also isn't really germane to the question.
 
epepke said:
This is a statement about tactics. It's obviously rhetorical, because it seems that they already think they know what they are trying to do:

Frankly, I think that this is a bit of an exaggeration and also isn't really germane to the question.
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Townhall.com is a pretty moderate conservative website compared to some I could name (like Free Republic). Pick any article, post something like 'Muslims are misunderstood, the vast majority of them are decent people who don't wish harm on anyone'. Return in one hour and read the comments following yours. It may give you some insight into whether the claims is an exaggeration.

If you're too busy, here's my experience there: they really, really hate Muslims. Comments are likely to include such gems as 'the only good Muzzie is a dead Muzzie', 'you'll be whistling a different tune when the Moozlims impose sharia on us', and 'no Moozies should be allowed in our country, period'.

There are millions of people thinking like this, and their numbers seem to be growing. I consider it a cause for concern, and relevant to a discussion on whether and how to conduct a 'war against Islam'.
 
Cleon said:
Yes, we're aware you prefer the "get talking points from websites" approach over the "know WTF you're talking about" approach.
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You really are a "we", aren't you. A "we", united against me. How pathetic.

As a committed "we", and a mod to boot, I don't suppose you are required to actually back up your accusation with an actual example of my much-celebrated but weakly-supported wrongness.
 
Toontown said:
You really are a "we", aren't you. A "we", united against me. How pathetic.

As a committed "we", and a mod to boot, I don't suppose you are required to actually back up your accusation with an actual example of my much-celebrated but weakly-supported wrongness.
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he was also talking for me if he wants
 
Gday,

USEagle13 said:
And despite whether you believe Jesus is the Son of God or not....he was a real human being that lived during the times of the Romans and was documented as an actual person by the Romans
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No he wasn't.

In fact - decades after the alleged events, Christian BELIEFS were recorded by the Romans - a completely different thing.

Jesus went completely UN-NOTICED by numerous 1st century writers - even ones like Philo or Justus or Plutarch.


K.
 
bikerdruid said:
there are many links to many stories.
officials started rounding up queers in ghana a couple of weeks ago.
google: homosexuals arrested ghana
uganda has been debating the death penalry for queers.
google: uganda homosexuals death penalty
this is because of the influence of american evangelicals.
google: evangelicals homosexuals africa
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But what I am looking for is this. Is it more of a christian or a muslim thing in Africa? Don't answer right away. Shhhhh. Do some research first. Most of Africa is Muslim or Christian? Most horrible crimes are commited against gays in which camps?

Now, i know you are going to probably answer straight away and say it is a christian thing becuase that is where your mind set is. So suprise me.
 
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ANTPogo said:
Because it annoys me when people talk, especially in an authoritative fashion, about a subject they have zero knowledge of. Especially when the things they say are simply rote cut-and-paste repetitions from biased websites filled with outright lies
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Uh-huh. How do i know if you are not getting your information from baised soruces?

What did Mohammed mean by Jihad? Please answer me.

As I remember, you avoided the question and said you are not a muslim.

So you too are not knowledgeable.

And you know, argument from authority is a logical fallasy. Just because some professor or someone who people call "doctor" says something does not mean they are right. Lots of doctors from BYU support the absurd notion that Joe Smith had the magic ability to understand Egyptian. But it was a lie.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Uh-huh. How do i know if you are not getting your information from baised soruces?
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That's pretty funny coming from someone who uncritically cut-and-pastes from thereligionofpeace.com.

What did Mohammed mean by Jihad? Please answer me.

As I remember, you avoided the question and said you are not a muslim.

So you too are not knowledgeable.
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Actually, I posted about that in the other thread. You ignored it in favor of posting the utterly irrelevant article about the placebo effect (as well as ignoring my repeated questions to you regarding abrogation).

And you know, argument from authority is a logical fallasy. Just because some professor or someone who people call "doctor" says something does not mean they are right. Lots of doctors from BYU support the absurd notion that Joe Smith had the magic ability to understand Egyptian. But it was a lie.
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It's only a fallacy if the "authority" cited isn't actually an authority on the subject that they're being cited on. However, when it comes to things like Islamic theology, the writings of actual Islamic theologians are indeed the proper authority to cite.

Especially when all you've got are things like YouTube videos harping on cherrypicked quotes from the Qur'an.
 
epepke said:
This is a statement about tactics. It's obviously rhetorical, because it seems that they already think they know what they are trying to do:



Frankly, I think that this is a bit of an exaggeration and also isn't really germane to the question.
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If you disagree with their explanation, then you can offer others.

I don't think they are exaggerating. Perhaps you can read this:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/post-2.html

Robert Spencer defends himself on the question "Does moderate Islam exist?"

(I've not watched the embedded video).
 
DC said:
he was also talking for me if he wants
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Any leftist ideologue can speak for you. Neoleftism is like a whale song - all the whales know it by heart and repeat it endlessly.

Blessed be the name of the Dogma. For the Dogma stands beneath thy bedroom window and barks; and ye shall have no peace, niether shall ye sleep, until ye have said, blessed be the name of the Dogma.
 
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