Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Alt+F4]

What do you think of the report by the independent experts?

I guess we'll see on September 5. But as for me, Italian experts? What do they know?

 

[katy_did]

I'm saying that blood on a faucet is more likely to be caused by a cut than by a woman smearing her own menstrual blood on it.

If I saw what Amanda did, I'd just assume someone had gotten a bit of blood on their hand and inadvertently transferred it to the tap as they switched it on - my first thought would be that it was menstrual blood (being in a bathroom) but obviously I wouldn't rule out it being a cut as well. I have no trouble at all in believing Amanda thought it was there due to "menstrual issues", since that's probably what I'd have thought. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure I'd never assume "menstrual issues" to mean someone sticking their hand in their panties and smearing blood everywhere for no apparent reason. So everyone's different!

 

[snook1]

I guess we'll see on September 5. But as for me, Italian experts? What do they know?

What exactly are you saying here?

September 5th is yet another court hearing where the prosecution along with the police will try to save their faces with attempts to undermine the report.

The question was, what do you think about the report?

 

[Alt+F4]

September 5th is yet another court hearing where the prosecution along with the police will try to save their faces by attempts to undermine the report.

Wow you know what's going to happen on September 5th and it's only August 16th! I don't even know what's going to happen an hour from now.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

blood on the faucet

I'm not refering to the pink bathroom photo, I'm refering to the close up photo of the faucet.

Alt+f4,

The DNA on the faucet is Amanda's; therefore, the blood drops might also be Amanda's. She initially speculated that it was from her ears, then saw blood on the mat and thought about menstrual blood. Her initial speculation might be correct about the blood on the faucet, but it would be helpful to know in greater detail where they sampled for DNA on the faucet.

 

[Kaosium]

Why do you think this must have been brought up? As far as I know, it wasn't.



Amanda's sex life was only being used by the media for salacious reasons. Rolfe's right, it was a sexual double standard. Reading about RG's sex life wasn't going to sell many newspapers. I still don't understand your point about the amount of sexual partners someone has had and their willingness to rape/murder.

However Amanda's came up in court, at the repeated questioning of Maresca mainly. I found it very strange that a girl's underwear purchases became an issue when she was locked out of her house. It was a tabloid issue and that's where it should have remained. Neither should her sex life in Seattle have been a subject of Maresca's when questioning her friend Andrew.

 

[snook1]

Wow you know what's going to happen on September 5th and it's only August 16th! I don't even know what's going to happen an hour from now.

Still, no answer to the simple question. What do you think about the independent experts report?

As to the September 5 th hearing, I guess it's pretty obvious what will happen. It's not a rocket science.

 

[Alt+F4]

However Amanda's came up in court, at the repeated questioning of Maresca mainly. I found it very strange that a girl's underwear purchases became an issue when she was locked out of her house. It was a tabloid issue and that's where it should have remained. Neither should her sex life in Seattle have been a subject of Maresca's when questioning her friend Andrew.

Is there any evidence that this influenced the jury?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

the question is why was it presented in the first place

Is there any evidence that this influenced the jury?

You avoided answering the question.

The jury heard it. Lacking the power to read the hearts and minds of men and women, I cannot say more.

 

[Alt+F4]

The jury heard it. Lacking the power to read the hearts and minds of men and women, I cannot say more.

This is true and it's been my experience that most people serving on juries understand the difference between actual evidence and rumors, hearsay and media speculation.

 

[snook1]

You avoided answering the question.

The jury heard it. Lacking the power to read the hearts and minds of men and women, I cannot say more.

Not the first time.

 

[RWVBWL]

Hi Alt+F4,
It's good to see you back posting again!
And that is sincerly said. Heck, you never know, maybe someday you too will be a believer in Raff and Amanda'a innocence.

Why do you think this must have been brought up? As far as I know, it wasn't.
Because I seem to recall that when I had my disposition taken in my own trial, it was brought up. What kinda guy am I, what was my dating life like, etc. I can't recall if we discussed it during my civil trial for rape, for I've blurred and/or blocked a lot of that stuff out after 8 to 10* years of time having passed...

Amanda's sex life was only being used by the media for salacious reasons. Rolfe's right, it was a sexual double standard. Reading about RG's sex life wasn't going to sell many newspapers. I still don't understand your point about the amount of sexual partners someone has had and their willingness to rape/murder.

Being a guy,
I might suggest that another male, (1 who partied often at the local nightclubs, dancing with women, which usually has, in my own experience, often led to an opportunity to score and get laid), might be frustrated by his lack of success with the ladies that he sees out on the town often. Add some testerone, and well, sometimes I feel it is just about sex...

Our opoinions on this differ, but hey, that's ok.
From reading much about this case we discuss, I know something about Amanda's sex history, Raffaele's sex history, and incredibly, courtesy of Barbie Nadeau's book 'Angel Face', even some of Meredith Kercher's dating history and it's intimate details. Why I needed to know this I wonder, for it was only Rudy Guede's DNA that was found in Meredith's vagina.

L8, RW





PS - My old dog Tang doesn't wanna eat today. He is hardly drinkin' water too. At some point I will have to put him down, which will suck big time. When do you decide to do so? As I've never had to do this, since my parents, (R.I.P.) always did so with our family's beloved dogs, if anyone wants to PM me and share their own story about doin' so, feel free to. Thanks, RW

 

[snook1]

This is true and it's been my experience that most people serving on juries understand the difference between actual evidence and rumors, hearsay and media speculation.

The anger and hate against Amanda Knox was overwhelming when the media reported Knox is a suspect.

The articles, both in Italy and the UK, suggested she was a deviant, a sex maniac and a psychopat. The jury was free to go and read and watch all the stuff that was out there. Then Maresca, the lawyer for the victim's family, asked her about her sex life while she was being on trial for murder. The jury, no matter how smart they were, didn't really had the opportunity to avoid these accusations. It was all over Italy.

It wasn't a typical case, with some local newspapers reporting on it. It was a huge deal, an international case. The pressure was quite big. Everyone felt it, incl the jury. That's what I believe.

 

[Alt+F4]

Being a guy,
I might suggest that another male, (1 who partied often at the local nightclubs, dancing with women, which usually has, in my own experience, often led to an opportunity to score and get laid), might be frustrated by his lack of success with the ladies that he sees out on the town often. Add some testerone, and well, sometimes I feel it is just about sex...

Well there is a theory that sexual gratification is a cause for rape but the primary motives are considered to be anger and power.

Our opoinions on this differ, but hey, that's ok.
From reading much about this case we discuss, I know something about Amanda's sex history, Raffaele's sex history, and incredibly, courtesy of Barbie Nadeau's book 'Angel Face', even some of Meredith Kercher's dating history and it's intimate details. Why I needed to know this I wonder, for it was only Rudy Guede's DNA that was found in Meredith's vagina.

Because interest in them is what sells books, not interest in RG. Black man killing a white woman, why do we need to hear about that? The media is filled with "mundane" murders. It's the Amanda Knox angle that made this terrible story interesting to the public.

PS - My old dog Tang doesn't wanna eat today. He is hardly drinkin' water too. At some point I will have to put him down, which will suck big time. When do you decide to do so? As I've never had to do this, since my parents, (R.I.P.) always did so with our family's beloved dogs, if anyone wants to PM me and share their own story about doin' so, feel free to. Thanks, RW

So sorry to hear this, you'll know when it's time. Give him Chicken McNuggets before you head for the vet.

 

[Alt+F4]

It wasn't a typical case, with some local newspapers reporting on it. It was a huge deal, an international case. The pressure was quite big. Everyone felt it, incl the jury. That's what I believe.

Same can be said for the Casey Anthony trial and the jury stood up to the pressure and still did the right thing. No reason to believe the jury in this case didn't also.

I've been on jury duty twice (criminal cases but not media-worthy) and everyone on those juries took their responsibility very seriously. In the second trial the prosecuting attorney actually left a piece of incriminating evidence on the jury box! I couldn't believe the judge let him get away with that. The purpose was to have us focus on it. We saw through that and hopefully delivered the correct verdict - not guilty.

 

[snook1]

Same can be said for the Casey Anthony trial and the jury stood up to the pressure and still did the right thing. No reason to believe the jury in this case didn't also.

The jury in Anthony trial was sequestered. They were picked carfefully after long interviews. They didn't know who Casey Anthony was, with whom she had sex with and how many boyfriends there were. They didn't know if she had any nicknames or didn't see her photos from, let's say, museums.

 

[el buscador]

Same can be said for the Casey Anthony trial and the jury stood up to the pressure and still did the right thing. No reason to believe the jury in this case didn't also.

I've been on jury duty twice (criminal cases but not media-worthy) and everyone on those juries took their responsibility very seriously. In the second trial the prosecuting attorney actually left a piece of incriminating evidence on the jury box! I couldn't believe the judge let him get away with that. The purpose was to have us focus on it. We saw through that and hopefully delivered the correct verdict - not guilty.

Do you think the 6 lay judges in Amanda's trail would have the guts to go against the wishes of the presiding judges?

 

[Diocletus]

Same can be said for the Casey Anthony trial and the jury stood up to the pressure and still did the right thing. No reason to believe the jury in this case didn't also.

Well, except for the fact that the jury in this case actually did the wrong thing. But that's a minor detail.

 

[Diocletus]

In the second trial the prosecuting attorney actually left a piece of incriminating evidence on the jury box! I couldn't believe the judge let him get away with that.

Sounds like a cheap trick that Maresca would try to pull. And dimwit Massei would have let him get away with it. But Hellmann won't.

 

[Kaosium]

Is there any evidence that this influenced the jury?

Aren't some things are kept out of the courtroom so they can't influence the jury?

I definitely believe some people are influenced by factors like this. Many times during the course of this debate I've seen references to the real or imagined proclivities of Amanda, and I can't believe the jury is any less human than they. Did you know that some people have even suggested that many of her supporters are motivated by hopes they might be...rewarded some day?