Rick Perry vs. the Religious Right, Anti-Vaxers

[Alt+F4]

Provided by Unabogie.

Unabogie presented no evidence that Gardasil has prevented anyone from getting cancer. Early detection is the solution not giving Merck more money.

 

[Unabogie]

Do you have any evidence that getting the Gardasil vaccine has prevented anyone from getting any type of cancer (cervical, penile, anal). The most common, cervical, is virtually 100 percent curable when found early.

Wait, that goal post was here a minute ago...

 

[Alt+F4]

Wait, that goal post was here a minute ago...

Indeed, still waiting for evidence that HPV is a "public health hazard".

 

[Unabogie]

Ok, let's stick to one claim. Webmd, and the CDC both claim "almost all" cervical cancers are caused by HPV. Are they wrong, lying, or correct? Evidence to refute this claim? Then we can move on the Gardisil issue, which I haven't researched.

 

[Alt+F4]

Ok, let's stick to one claim. Webmd, and the CDC both claim "almost all" cervical cancers are caused by HPV. Are they wrong, lying, or correct? Evidence to refute this claim? Then we can move on the Gardisil issue, which I haven't researched.

What I was referring to is the claim that HPV is a "public health hazard". I've yet to see any evidence proving that this claim is true. Webmd and the CDC don't state that but do say that 90% of cases of HPV resolve on their own.

 

[Unabogie]

What I was referring to is the claim that HPV is a "public health hazard". I've yet to see any evidence proving that this claim is true. Webmd and the CDC don't state that but do say that 90% of cases of HPV resolve on their own.

They also say almost all cervical cancers are caused by HPV. What is a public health hazard if not something that causes cancer?

Did you miss that or are you just playing semantic games? Either way, gotta run.

 

[hgc]

Are you insinuating that if a boy or girl doesn't get Rick Perry's Gardasil vaccination (cha-ching) they will die of cancer?

I never heard of a male with cervical cancer. Breast cancer, yes, but not cervical cancer.

 

[Alan]

I never heard of a male with cervical cancer. Breast cancer, yes, but not cervical cancer.

Cervical cancer is not the only HPV-related cancer. And men can pass on the HPV to a female so men being immunised helps prevent cervical cancer. It's also an issue with MSM.

 

[KingMerv00]

What about boys? Should they get Gardasil too?

Assuming the vaccine works in men too, it sounds like a good idea. Why wouldn't it?

Is there evidence that Gardasil has saved thousands of women?

The FDA says:

In 2006, it is estimated that there will be 9,710 new cases of cervical cancer and 3,700 deaths attributed to it in the United States. Worldwide, cervical cancer is the second most common cancer in women; and it is estimated to cause over 470,000 new cases and 233,000 deaths per year.

From this, we can conclude that cervical cancer in America is fatal in 38% of cases. Worldwide, it is 50% fatal.

The FDA also says:

Gardasil is expected to prevent up to 70% of cervical cancers, because they are due to HPV types against which the vaccine is directed.

Let's assume the FDA studies were overzealous and the vaccine only prevents 35% of cervical cancers. In the very first year, we prevent 1,291 American deaths and 82,250 total deaths worldwide.

 

[Puppycow]

Update: Now he's doing the flip-flop.

Perry calls HPV vaccine mandate a mistake

He must have realized that being sensible would hurt his chances at getting the republican nomination.

Another issue he flip-flopped on:

Last month, Perry said at an event in Aspen, Colo., that each state should be free to set its own policy on same-sex marriage, a statement that alarmed social conservatives across the country.

"I was very uncomfortable with that, and my phone really began to ring," said Oran Smith , executive director of the Palmetto Family Council, a South Carolina traditional values group.

In an interview on Christian radio, however, Perry soon backtracked on the issue and said he supported a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, which seemed to settle the issue.

Apparently it's more important for a conservative to be anti-gay than to be pro-states-rights, and to be anti-sex than to be pro-life.

 

[tyr_13]

Update: Now he's doing the flip-flop.

Perry calls HPV vaccine mandate a mistake

He must have realized that being sensible would hurt his chances at getting the republican nomination.

Another issue he flip-flopped on:


Apparently it's more important for a conservative to be anti-gay than to be pro-states-rights, and to be anti-sex than to be pro-life.

*********** **** on a stick.

 

[hgc]

Update: Now he's doing the flip-flop.

Of course he is. I would have put money on it.