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Yep, you guessed it. The Swiss were hallucinating seeing some non-existent minarets, coz as we know, minarets are in Istanbul and Istanbul is not in Switzerland. That's why there is no list of those minarets. Right, DC?
No? Why not?
Washington, DC? I don't think so. Can you give me some list of minarets in Washington, DC?
IF you had BOTHERED to read, you would have seen it was *one* minaret which had sparked controversy, was initially refused, but then authorized in higher court, and then the resident and politics trying to ban all minaret, failed, then put that initiative (the other minaret are older). And as DC hint , there are church *everywhere* with their fragging bells.
IF you had BOTHERED to read, you would have seen it was *one* minaret which had sparked controversy, was initially refused, but then authorized in higher court, and then the resident and politics trying to ban all minaret, failed, then put that initiative (the other minaret are older). And as DC hint , there are church *everywhere* with their fragging bells.
If you bothered to read and comprehend, you would find out that I never refered to any cantons that DC is babbling about.
What are you trying to do, man? Can't you understand that the Swiss banned the building of minarets getting tired of Islam? There are a few folks out there who pretty much know where the wind blew from:
A majority of Swiss voters obviously feels that there are problems with Muslim integration into civil society at the moment. This vague sentiment was fueled by a number of incidents over the last years: The former Imam of a mosque in Geneva, Hani Ramadan, a Swiss citizen by the way, publicly justified the stoning of adulterers or the punitive amputation of the hand of a thief. Muslim parents prevented their daughters from attending swimming classes, gymnastics or summer camps in public schools because they didn't want their girls to be together with boys. Media reports about forced marriages, female genital mutilations and "honor killings" of Muslim women - all confirmed by authorities or in court -- came as a shocking surprise. A university professor even went as far as to suggest in an official publication of a federal commission to introduce elements of the Sharia, the Muslim legal system, into Switzerland.
Islam has not been hijacked. That Islam has been hijacked is what non-Muslims naturally assume because they assume that all religions are the same.
The reason that non-Muslims are so easily confused is that most of us don't realize the difference between the Qur'an and every other religious book we are familiar with.
This is just an assumption of ignorance, and rather insulting.
The majority of Muslims do not interpret things the way that video suggests they should. Therefore it is a minority who are trying to redirect Islam in the direction the video describes. ie: hijack
Of course the Qur'an contains contradictory statements, just like other religious books. But the Qur'an itself provides the reader with a way to know what to do with the contradictions. It's explained in the Qur'an that if you have two passages that contradict each-other, the one written later supersedes the one written earlier.
As I said there:
The Quran does not permit aggression. 2:190 "Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors"
Elind has to find where that is abrogated by something which says "Fight, even before they attack you. Lo! God loves the aggressors."
And so does Bill.
DC had a go at discussing abrogation in the 'why not war' thread. I don't recall Bill taking up the issue.
The modern expression "creeping Shari'a" is used to describe the slow, deliberate and methodical advance of Islamic law in non-Muslim countries. Official Sharia courts already operate in the UK, and in cases ranging from divorce, financial disputes and domestic violence. Attempts to introduce Shari'a in the legal system in Germany, Sweden and other European countries are ongoing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya
Muslims are allowed to hide their faith if they are persecuted.
They don't get to conceal there faith as a means of waging secret war.
If you bothered to read and comprehend, you would find out that I never refered to any cantons that DC is babbling about.
What are you trying to do, man? Can't you understand that the Swiss banned the building of minarets getting tired of Islam? There are a few folks out there who pretty much know where the wind blew from:
strange in TV interviews, where they asked people if and why they are against Minarets, not a single one mentioned "honor killings" maybe because there are almost no such cases, nor has anyone brought up female genital mutilations, as they propably know that is not an Islamic problem.
also nobody brought up forced marriage.
mainly it was just the dumb idea, Minarets do not belong here, we have church towers. or even much worse, Saudi Arabia does also not alow Churches.
and i don't love Islam, i love freedom of religion. We are a country full of ignorant and bigoted cow farmers.
I got 64 inbox notifications of content being stripped from the main discussion thread to the "Abandon all Hope". Most contained simply support for my position. This is curious.
And these people also had to select between a huge number of sometimes highly contradictory accounts of what big M was supposed to have said. Hmmm, sounds vaguely familiar.
And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
Genesis 3:22
I got 64 inbox notifications of content being stripped from the main discussion thread to the "Abandon all Hope". Most contained simply support for my position. This is curious.
Thanks for transcribing the video. I was going to do it.
You know, in Youtubeland people have made "debunking" videos but if you watch them, they don't debunk anything. One is of a british guy basically crying and saying it is not true, shaking his head and saying it is not true. This reminds me of people here. One insists something is not true but doesn't offer any counter agruments.
Which reminds me, another good video is one about Dr Sagan's baloney detiction kit.
Two interesting points here is that one has to consider the source of a point or argument. If muslims make videos or arguments that their religion is good, well, ask yourself, what would you expect? It is not coming from an umbiased and rational source. Likewise, if peaceniks and Liberals insist that Islam is cool and say non sequitur things like "all religions are bad", well, what would you expect? All Coulter says Liberalism is like a religion (perhaps one of the few true things she has said) and Savage says Liberalism is a mental disease (are there books written that neo-conservatisim is a mental disease?). Because they do not WANT to believe Islam is bad, they will use all sorts of logical fallacies to fight that idea. And this included underhanded personal attacks.
The second interesting point in Dr. Sagan's baloney detection kit is do people offer up any counter arguments to explain things. Do people who insist Islam is good, offer an explaination for the 17,588 terrorist attacks carried out by muslims since 9-11-2001?
Take a look at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Now, some people have studied this web site and found what they insist are clerical errors. That does not matter if most of what is there is true. If I made a list, for example, of 30 reasons why Hilary Clinton should not be president and someone says that 5 are not accurate, that does not matter because all I really need is one reason.
There is enouh accuracy there.
Is Islam an evil religion? It depends on what you consider evil. By comparison:
Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years. (source)
More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. (source)
More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in twohours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (source) 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in twohours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. (source)
I got 64 inbox notifications of content being stripped from the main discussion thread to the "Abandon all Hope". Most contained simply support for my position. This is curious.
Thanks for transcribing the video. I was going to do it.
You know, in Youtubeland people have made "debunking" videos but if you watch them, they don't debunk anything. One is of a british guy basically crying and saying it is not true, shaking his head and saying it is not true. This reminds me of people here. One insists something is not true but doesn't offer any counter agruments.
Which reminds me, another good video is one about Dr Sagan's baloney detiction kit.
Two interesting points here is that one has to consider the source of a point or argument. If muslims make videos or arguments that their religion is good, well, ask yourself, what would you expect? It is not coming from an umbiased and rational source. Likewise, if peaceniks and Liberals insist that Islam is cool and say non sequitur things like "all religions are bad", well, what would you expect? All Coulter says Liberalism is like a religion (perhaps one of the few true things she has said) and Savage says Liberalism is a mental disease (are there books written that neo-conservatisim is a mental disease?). Because they do not WANT to believe Islam is bad, they will use all sorts of logical fallacies to fight that idea. And this included underhanded personal attacks.
The second interesting point in Dr. Sagan's baloney detection kit is do people offer up any counter arguments to explain things. Do people who insist Islam is good, offer an explaination for the 17,588 terrorist attacks carried out by muslims since 9-11-2001?
Take a look at http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Now, some people have studied this web site and found what they insist are clerical errors. That does not matter if most of what is there is true. If I made a list, for example, of 30 reasons why Hilary Clinton should not be president and someone says that 5 are not accurate, that does not matter because all I really need is one reason.
There is enouh accuracy there.
Is Islam an evil religion? It depends on what you consider evil. By comparison:
you video of the 3 point about islam, does not even try to provide sources or evidence for their claims.
it is aimed at ignorant people that merely are looking for something to confirm their paranoid worldview.
I got 64 inbox notifications of content being stripped from the main discussion thread to the "Abandon all Hope". Most contained simply support for my position. This is curious.
You are considering a single spike event (9/11), and generalizing ?
That is pretty stupid way to do it. That make about as much sense as saying the earth is in a deep deep cold age, because one winter here in Dresden it was below -25°C.
Also Christianity did a much worst massacre in one "event", killing more than 5000 up to 30000 dead in a few week. So the highest terrorist attack was from Christian on Calvinist.
Al-Muhajroun said, "The hatred towards the U.S. and UK, and their evil plans to crush Islam and Muslims, and to force a washed-down version of Islam on Muslims, similar to Christianity, has backfired, and instead, more and more Muslims are queuing up to fight Jihad and are willing to die to see the domination of divine law over man made law."Read more: Group celebrates 'Magnificent 19' hijackers http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=20418#ixzz1V6EJkySx
you video of the 3 point about islam, does not even try to provide sources or evidence for their claims.
it is aimed at ignorant people that merely are looking for something to confirm their paranoid worldview.
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