Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Patrick1000]

Poop the lynchpin

Not to giggle 'bout it too much, but if you think of it, well ain't it true. All of Apollo unravels as real simply when one points out the Boorman poop business. I know I mentioned it before, the diarrhea business, but it just really hit me, it is absolutely true. We know the diarrhea thing was super phony cuz' there was no real medicine going on. BINGO! 8 is fake. Call it "Doctor Pat's Diarrhea Domino Theory". The rest of the missions fall as a consequence.

We know 8 is fake per previous. If 8 is fake, we know they cannot go, did not go , whatever. 8 is key in the fake sense as they pretended 8 to be in the pretend real sense. By Jove it is sheer genius! And i thought Galois was elegant!

Boorman has managed to fake poop all subsequent missions in to the light of day and thereby expose their fraudulence.

 

[JohnG]

Think of it this way sts. If Boorman makes fake poopies in cislunar space, then they did not know how to pass through cislunar space to begin with. If 8 is fake the rest have to be. I am telling ya' that space diarrhea card should have been played much later in this con. Blows the whole thing from the get go you know.

If during the flight of Apollo 8 astronaut Borman gets diarrhea and his poop floats throughout the zero G cabin contaminating everything without anything that remotely resembles an appropriate response to it all by Charles Berry or one of the other pretend doctors, we know Apollo simply cannot be a bona fide space adventure to the moon. It can only be super fake, just based right there on the Borman diarrhea episode alone. It could not have happened with real doctors in a real world and so we know this was the pretend world of Apollo where it doesn't matter if salmonella adhere to Jim Lovell's eyebrows or not. It's only pretend bacteria after all. Score one for imagination and laughs though. Too bad the funny diarrhea story cost us $130,000,000,000. You'd think after the fake Borman loose poop episode that they would have come up with a fake contingency plan for future episodes of fraudulent g.i. distress, but their imaginations were limited.

You say real rocks and I say fake diarrhea. You say real photos and I say these lost astronauts couldn't score a Boy Scouts of America Map and Compass Navigation merit badge. We are at an impasse yes, but I pay no attention to the rocks and pics any more. I read what the astronauts say and the astronauts lie to my face, so I know Apollo cannot be true.

So sad…………..

As I said, you have your real rocks, I have my astronauts that cannot navigate their way out of a high tech bag. You have your pics and I have Charles Berry who doesn't seem qualified to treat a case of diarrhea at a summer camp.

Not to giggle 'bout it too much, but if you think of it, well ain't it true. All of Apollo unravels as real simply when one points out the Boorman poop business. I know I mentioned it before, the diarrhea business, but it just really hit me, it is absolutely true. We know the diarrhea thing was super phony cuz' there was no real medicine going on. BINGO! 8 is fake. Call it "Doctor Pat's Diarrhea Domino Theory". The rest of the missions fall as a consequence.

I feel compelled as a concerned fellow forumite to tell you that your posts are full of diarrhea.

Stay thirsty hydrated, my friend.

 

[Patrick1000]

Ya' know John, we are all entitled to our opinions, but i just love this last angle. Admittedly, it is not as good as David Reed's writing that demonstrates the narrative's comical incoherence, but on the other hand there is this domino effect one gets to enjoy.

Here you've got three guys in space, zero-G, salmonella, shigella, virus adhering here there and upon Jim Lovell's eyebrows. Microscopic infected poop perhaps, sticking to everything. Anybody bother to mention they better clean that stuff up? Nope. Anyone bother to interrogate the heck out of the astronauts as of course they would be were they garden variety patients in an ER with similar complaints? Nope. Anybody bother to make contingency plans with respect to further episodes of fake space poopies, especially given concerns with respect to forward contamination issues for Apollo 11 and on? Nope. Any discussion of the space distress mentioned in the debriefing and its obvious importance were it real? Nope.

DIAGNOSIS; Fake Infected Flatus Key Point In Exposing ALL Of Apollo as phony cuz' said Flatus=Hoax

 

[nomuse]

Make up what you like, Patrick, but be aware that those of this forum are quite able to visit the BAUT, or ApolloHoax, where your errors were corrected.

They DID clean up. They DID have conversation (not all of which is in the public transcript -- patient-doctor privilege ring a bell?) EXTENSIVE discussion in the literature about space sickness. And so forth.

 

[Patrick1000]

That's fake clean up nomuse. Look at Chaikin's book. There it says they cleaned the poop with paper towels. Microbes floating everywhere in a zero-G environment and one will clean that up with paper towels? Show me ONE good reference in which one could conclude within reason, that assuming this was infectious diarrhea, say due to salmonella, that the environment was even remotely safe for astronauts to work in. ONE! Show me ONE where appropriate clean up is even discussed nomuse. ONE! Show me one where contingencies are discussed moving forward especially with respect to forward contamination concerns. ONE!. All I have ever seen is bogus stuff like in Andrew Chikin's book about cleaning up the spaceship with paper towels. YEAh, breath deep everyone, suck that in. This is only the most important adventure of all time. Let's contaminate the heck out of the cabin with a phony story and then not even bother to write into the phony script anything remotely resembling a phony clean up. I would love to be proven wrong on this one, but I ain't seen nothing. Transcript, post flight reports, books, Boorman's own book I bought. Ghost written and badly so. Nothing anywhere. No sign of a clean surface in all of cislunar space. Must be a phony one and as I said, I love this angle. The whole dang thang is shown to be fake right there. Who needs to worry about moon rocks when you can prove fraudulent poop. the poop is bad in more ways than one, and consequently, so too is all of APOLLO. Beautiful, concise, unlike me! It could be a headline soon folks,

"HOAXER SHOWS FAKE POOP MEANS FRAUD! NASA SCRAMBLING TO CLEAN UP!"

 

[Erock]

ApolloG, Carrying the Fire first edition has a photo of Collins spacewalking that Rene' claims was fake because , according to Rene, it looks identical to a zero G simulation photo. The pic is not in the later editions of Carrying the Fire adding suspicion for some that the pic is fake. It is a very old hoax point.

The picture is not a FAKE, it is a mockup for his book.

From the book, we see the quotation...

"One of the great disappointments of the flight was that there were no photos of my spacewalk. [...] All we had was the film from one movie camera, [...] which recorded an uninterrupted sequence of black sky [...] I was really feeling sorry for myself, unable to produce graphic documentation for my grandchildren of my brief sally as a human satellite [...]”

Now about those rocks and questions.

 

[Patrick1000]

So was that photo from Collins spacewalk E ?

 

[Kid Eager]

That's fake clean up nomuse. Look at Chaikin's book. There it says they cleaned the poop with paper towels. Microbes floating everywhere in a zero-G environment and one will clean that up with paper towels? Show me ONE good reference in which one could conclude within reason, that assuming this was infectious diarrhea, say due to salmonella, that the environment was even remotely safe for astronauts to work in. ONE! Show me ONE where appropriate clean up is even discussed nomuse. ONE! Show me one where contingencies are discussed moving forward especially with respect to forward contamination concerns. ONE!. All I have ever seen is bogus stuff like in Andrew Chikin's book about cleaning up the spaceship with paper towels. YEAh, breath deep everyone, suck that in. This is only the most important adventure of all time. Let's contaminate the heck out of the cabin with a phony story and then not even bother to write into the phony script anything remotely resembling a phony clean up. I would love to be proven wrong on this one, but I ain't seen nothing. Transcript, post flight reports, books, Boorman's own book I bought. Ghost written and badly so. Nothing anywhere. No sign of a clean surface in all of cislunar space. Must be a phony one and as I said, I love this angle. The whole dang thang is shown to be fake right there. Who needs to worry about moon rocks when you can prove fraudulent poop. the poop is bad in more ways than one, and consequently, so too is all of APOLLO. Beautiful, concise, unlike me! It could be a headline soon folks,

"HOAXER SHOWS FAKE POOP MEANS FRAUD! NASA SCRAMBLING TO CLEAN UP!"

What point are you trying to make? Fewer words and more facts might help...

 

[Patrick1000]

Kid,

Apollo in totality can only be fraudulent. Boorman's space illness was clearly a pretend illness. There you have all of Apollo in a space-nutshell.

 

[GlennB]

So was that photo from Collins spacewalk E ?

We have a print of a famous Monet painting on our bathroom wall. It isn't a "fake", it's a print. If I tried my hand at painting a copy, that too would not be a "fake". Only if I claimed it was the original would the word fake be justified.

Reading the perfectly simple explanation given above for the Collins photo - and assuming it to be true - then the photo is not a "fake", as its provenance is clear and publicly known.

 

[Stellafane]

Stella, he is very much not confused. You should purchase the book so referenced. The tale is legendary in the annals of Mission Control. Reed walks in and asks SELECT, "Where are they". SELECT says, "no one knows, all the methods for finding them gave different results". Paraphrasing of course.

Not as famous as Bales "GO" call, but certainly as important was Reed's finding the LM with the rendezvous radar. Read Reed's account for yourself.

May I ask you this Stella. If they knew where the LM was, why would they be looking for it on "crude maps" as Michael called them, of the lunar surface?

Again, Reed's exploits that day are legendary. There is no confusion. NASA TELLS THE STORY THIS WAY! they just never tell you also Lick observatory was notified.

Consider this Stella. Why does NASA tell the story 2 ways. The way just like Reed tells it, and then also the fib way, like they present it in the MISSION Report. Why does NASA have 2 stories? The lost bird for the masses, and the contrived found bird for relevant parties like the LICK Observatory staff?

Sorry Pat, but your stating that there is "no confusion" does not necessarily make it so. People misremember, embellish, get things wrong. Other people engage in a little revisionism, perhaps for CYA or political purposes. It happens all the time -- indeed, it might be more suspicious if everyone agreed with exactly what happened word for word, as though reading from a script.

And in the end, this just isn't enough. Remember, it's not just Dr. Reed's recollections that stand between you and proving Apollo was faked, it's all this mountain of other stuff. Heck, remember the movie "The Dish," where an Austrailian radio telescope was pressed into service to communicate with Apollo on the moon? Those signals could only have come from one place: the lunar surface. So unless you're prepared to throw the Australians into the conspiracy mix (and what they would have to gain by that is anyone's guess), you need to come up with something more persuasive.

 

[Patrick1000]

Hey Glen, I do not know anything really about the Collins spacewalk photo issue, just some general historical perspective with respect to Rene's claim. I would be the last to claim fraud based on photo. I do think the story is fake, so Apollo is fake. Reed , the FIDO doesn't get the information some unimportant laser jocks get in San Jose. That's a fake story right there. Boorman poops in his space ship and no one cares. that's a fake story right there. I have even read people from inside the NASA community suggest Boorman suffered from space adaptation syndrome. Since when does space adaptation syndrome cause diarrhea? Have also heard it was the Seconal. Since when does Seconal cause profuse diarrhea? How about bad script writing? Pictures I could not care less about, only to look at them after and say, "Yep, there's a fake". I am a script analyst, and read Apollo as not too well done.

 

[Patrick1000]

Thanks Stella, really do appreciate your reply and I can tell you read my relevant posts.

 

[GlennB]

Hey Glen, I do not know anything really about the Collins spacewalk photo issue, just some general historical perspective with respect to Rene's claim. I would be the last to claim fraud based on photo. I do think the story is fake, so Apollo is fake. Reed , the FIDO doesn't get the information some unimportant laser jocks get in San Jose. That's a fake story right there. Boorman poops in his space ship and no one cares. that's a fake story right there. I have even read people from inside the NASA community suggest Boorman suffered from space adaptation syndrome. Since when does space adaptation syndrome cause diarrhea? Have also heard it was the Seconal. Since when does Seconal cause profuse diarrhea? How about bad script writing? Pictures I could not care less about, only to look at them after and say, "Yep, there's a fake". I am a script analyst, and read Apollo as not too well done.

Took me about 30 seconds to Google that bolded bit. Diarrhea is, indeed, a known side-effect of Seconal.

 

[tsig]

Hey Glen, I do not know anything really about the Collins spacewalk photo issue, just some general historical perspective with respect to Rene's claim. I would be the last to claim fraud based on photo. I do think the story is fake, so Apollo is fake. Reed , the FIDO doesn't get the information some unimportant laser jocks get in San Jose. That's a fake story right there. Boorman poops in his space ship and no one cares. that's a fake story right there. I have even read people from inside the NASA community suggest Boorman suffered from space adaptation syndrome. Since when does space adaptation syndrome cause diarrhea? Have also heard it was the Seconal. Since when does Seconal cause profuse diarrhea? How about bad script writing? Pictures I could not care less about, only to look at them after and say, "Yep, there's a fake". I am a script analyst, and read Apollo as not too well done.

Critical analysis - ur doin' it wrong.

 

[Patrick1000]

Last thought about pics vs character analysis Glen. Ever see those shots of Tenzing and Hillary right after they summited Everest? They look like and so are the most insanely crazy and happy guys on the planet. It's obvious from their faces they made it to the top.

Then ya' compare that with the dour scowls of Armstrong/Collins/Aldrin in their post flight interview mode. One thing you can say for sure watching' those boys is they never made it to the moon. Don't look it , don't act it, don't feel it.

I cannot prove it like I can prove the Boorman thing, that it is fake straight up from the post flight acting. But same kind of thing. It is acting.

In the Boorman case, Charles Berry and company do not act like doctors during the Apollo 8 diarrhea thing. But there, in that particular situation, you can nail them and say FAKE and in a very real sense prove it. Post flight press conference, all you can do is yell, "SO FAKE!" But the context is not optimal like with the diarrhea thing. You cannot prove it there.

When Bales says "GO" on the 1202. You can spot Bales right there as more likely than not, one of the very very very few actually in on it, in on the con. That is because this is a decision point. Bales cannot say "NO GO". This fake landing has to occur. Of course this Bales situation does not prove Apollo phony like in the Reed case. Reed I don't think is in on it. FIDO Reed is not given coordinates the Lick Observatory people got, that's proof right there that Apollo is fake given the special context. But here, Reed can be seen not like Bales, but more likely than not in the majority of the duped.

This is why Bales would go on to accept the academy award, er I mean the Presidential Medal of Freedom for the whole Apollo group.

So I look at rocks and pics Glen, but to sniff out a fake space project, just read the story line. These guys are bad writers and occasionally make these humongous gaffes that once recognized prove Apollo phony. I am curious about guys like Rene and Kaysing historically. But that approach to the study of Apollo doesn't work for me.

 

[Patrick1000]

whatever tsig. I love to approach Apollo as script. first of all that is what it is so the student is instantly oriented appropriately, and then, it is so much moire fruitful than assessing rock data. Look at the Boorman thing. I need not belabor it. The diarrhea episode is clearly staged, no genuine medical assessment, no genuine mission assessment, ergo phony mission.

BOOM! Apollo solved. I did right there by looking at Boorman's forged medical record what Rene' , however talented, couldn't do in years and years of study and writing.

There is great beauty , elegance and power to my approach. It's effective. People will argue about rocks from here until the year 3030. You can obviate the need for tedious technical analysis by simply looking for the inconsistencies in the record, the bad acting. Then the pics and rocks have to be accepted as fake. You cannot have a fake story, with real rocks. It's a beautiful approach.

 

[Patrick1000]

whatever tsig. I love to approach Apollo as script. first of all that is what it is so the student is instantly oriented appropriately, and then, it is so much moire fruitful than assessing rock data. Look at the Boorman thing. I need not belabor it. The diarrhea episode is clearly staged, no genuine medical assessment, no genuine mission assessment, ergo phony mission.

BOOM! Apollo solved. I did right there by looking at Boorman's forged medical record what Rene' , however talented, couldn't do in years and years of study and writing.

There is great beauty , elegance and power to my approach. It's effective. People will argue about rocks from here until the year 3030. You can obviate the need for tedious technical analysis by simply looking for the inconsistencies in the record, the bad acting. Then the pics and rocks have to be accepted as fake. You cannot have a fake story, with real rocks. It's a beautiful approach.

 

[drewid]

Let's assume you have a sick astronaut, as in really sick, something life threatening, not just a little D+V, let's say something that's going to kill him in a few days.

What can you do about it?

Hint: turn around and come back is not an option, orbital mechanics says so.

 

[Patrick1000]

Ask any doc Glenn if they associate the use of barbituates with diarrhea. You can find whatever nonsense you like on the internet with regard to drug side effects. Were Boorman really ill the docs would be thinking infection more likely than not first. Regardless, someone comes into our ER with diarrhea, we don't view a recent Seconal ingestion as the likely culprit. Try again.