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"Normalizing" the Aspergers child or adult - more harm than good?

I'm not sure how much more clearer I could have been with my use of the word "forced". And yes, my parents did think signing me up for the soccer team was a terrific idea since it would help me overcome my "issues" and learn to be part of a team. It was a form of "treatment". This experience made me not want to be part of a team or socialize and made me very resentful toward my parents and teachers who thought team sports were wonderful, especially for helping to "normalize" kids like me. I was always the worst player on the team. I can still remember the euphoria I felt all the times a soccer game was canceled due to the rain.

In this day and age, I am not sure why society pushes this on kids who so obviously feel extreme discomfort(in my case, to the point of vomiting and extreme anxiety and resentment), when there are plenty of "normal" kids who love team sports - let's leave team sports to those who love it and get something out of it. Parents also trying to force their kid to be friends with some other kid is also ridiculous and counterproductive.

Maybe I also didn't make it clear that whether or not aspergers is problematic is very context dependent. This often makes it very tricky, especially if selective mutism is involved. Society's overvaluation of certain social skills puts too many aspergers children into situations in which they look like they need "treatment". And there are all too many do-gooders out there who love "fixing" others.

And sure I have problems, but who doesn't? It seems the gifts I have are part of the same complex that explains my social ineptness and extreme sensitivity. And we are not in need of "special" treatment, just different treatment, we need to be understood on our own terms and shouldn't be expected to conform to society's expectations when we are not harming ourselves or others.

I believe aspergers children should generally be left alone, so long as they can communicate their most basic needs with those they trust, especially the gifted ones. They will most likely learn to cope and to socialize on their own when the opportunity arises. Their talents should be nurtured. It is because I believe that extreme withdrawal from society and extreme shyness/poor social skills are bad things, that doing things like forcing aspergers children into distressing social situations that make them feel very uncomfortable that they withdraw even more, are bad things. It's all about finding the proper balance to fit an individual's unique situation. Let's stop the foolish expectations and conformity.

Besides just leaving them alone, I offer no solutions except to try to view high functioning autistic spectrum children as being just "different" and not diseased or deserving of treatment(unless they have comorbid conditions, which ultimately may be due to forced socialization attempts which failed). I prefer optimizing them within the confines of what they are, to "normalizing" them, which is based on a flawed model of "normalcy"(if sports are good for kids then all kids should play sports and if they don't like it then something is very "wrong" with them). I am not a parent or a psychologist, but this is my opinion based on my experiences and the experiences of others.

Does anyone, as in, professionals, actually advocate this sort of forced social interaction? Did your parents get recommendations based on an Asperger diagnosis?

If not, I understand that it was tough for you, but I don't see it as this great injustice you paint it as. Most likely your parents thought that some exposure to your peers would be good for you and it turns out it wasn't. I have a slightly analouge situation, though with a different issue - I was always very weak and frail, despite my large stature, as a kid. My parents for a long time made me go to various sports to improve my condition, and it was tortuous for me. Well, it turns out I have a rare tissue disease, which makes me weak and such, and that forced team sports wouldn't really help much.

Of course, I don't resent my parents for that, they simply thought that it was the best for me. Had they known of my condition and its implications, and the proper treatment for it, they wouldn't have. Couldn't it be that your situation is simply the same - Your parents didn't understand your problem, and were mistaken in what they thought would help you?
 
Does anyone, as in, professionals, actually advocate this sort of forced social interaction? Did your parents get recommendations based on an Asperger diagnosis?

If not, I understand that it was tough for you, but I don't see it as this great injustice you paint it as. Most likely your parents thought that some exposure to your peers would be good for you and it turns out it wasn't. I have a slightly analouge situation, though with a different issue - I was always very weak and frail, despite my large stature, as a kid. My parents for a long time made me go to various sports to improve my condition, and it was tortuous for me. Well, it turns out I have a rare tissue disease, which makes me weak and such, and that forced team sports wouldn't really help much.

Of course, I don't resent my parents for that, they simply thought that it was the best for me. Had they known of my condition and its implications, and the proper treatment for it, they wouldn't have. Couldn't it be that your situation is simply the same - Your parents didn't understand your problem, and were mistaken in what they thought would help you?

You're right, in that my parents thought this was best for me, like your parents did with your condition. There was no official diagnosis of anything, they just thought that putting me in social situations would help me. There also appears to be a strong genetic component here, since my mother always told me she went through the same exact thing at her age and her father forced her to socialize. She's not sure if it helped her though; she seems to have an even milder version of what I have. Her father frequently threatened to take her to the psychiatrist if she didn't at least try to be more social. In fact, I think he did take her once and they even gave her this IQ test in which she got a very high score. And her father would tell her that he was a very shy, awkward kid who didn't like to socialize. Somehow, he got better. My grandmother was basically normal but not very outgoing.

Even my father had problems socializing, but it's hard to tell to what degree this was due to being an immigrant who was obsessed with assimilating or due to some kind of condition(also a notoriously bad dresser). My mom eventually divorced him. Grandpa, his father was a very "weird" fellow who was something of a mute and an outcast in the village back in the old country because unlike everyone else in the family and village(everyone was extremely religious), NEVER went to church. He's been gone for a long time but to this day my uncles and aunts are still kind of embarrassed how their father never went to church and didn't seem to be religious. He would sometimes wander around the countryside aimlessly by himself when there wasn't much work to do, rather than socialize at the cafes or with friends. And autism does run in my extended family.

I'm not really bitter about what my parents did to me, I just want this to serve as a warning to parents who try to do the same thing, to show that it can fail and possibly end up with their child hating them or coming down with major depressive episodes(which I used to experience but not anymore). As I have noted earlier, these forced socializations made me feel so uncomfortable that it resulted in a condition that was almost like bulimia, but without the weight obsession.

I'm sorry for the rare tissue disease you have, I wish it was curable.

Overall I had a good childhood, except for the forced socialization.
 
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Mark6 said:
If it makes you feel any better -- "hell-bent on making everyone exactly the same" was ALWAYS the case. In fact, it is less prevalent now than ever. How long ago left-handed children had their left hand tied down in order to teach them to write "like everyone else"?
Yup, that one has gone out of style. Now you just have to make sure your behavior and ability in school is "normal" so you can pass the standardized state tests for graduating high school and then get a college degree. That left-handed thing was so quaint, and at least no one was claiming to value differences.

Sorry, things are probably better, but watching my nonstandard kids try to get through school makes me grouchy.

~~ Paul
 
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Quite true paul, there is lip service to 'diversity' but despite teh media insanity of 'liberalism' most teachers are conservative by nature and have to train and practice a tolerance for individuality.

usually the autistic kids are just invisible.
 
A staggeringly crass Daily Wail article about an aspergers sperm donor in Holland....

Heartbroken women in The Netherlands have given birth to numerous children with Asperger's Syndrome after a sperm donor lied to them about the state of his health.

[snip]

Those two sites have since banned him but there are fears he will continue to infect women witht the autism gene by changing his identity and advertising elsewhere.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ren-sperm-donation-lying-health.html#comments
 

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