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Merged Freeman on the Land in America/lawful rebellion/sovereign citizens

my ill will said:
Holy! I can't believe this thread is still going. I just checked an old e-mail account I haven't used in a while and got an update from the thread subscription. I completely forgot about this.

Well... I wrote all of this in high school. Oddly enough I'm studying economics and programming now, and needless to say I've grown up a little bit and realized the absurdity of my old beliefs. Sorry if I came across as a wacko or an ass. To tell you the truth, I believed in this stuff because on the inside of this group, it made sense. But on the outside, the holes and the flaws became apparent. I chose to ignore a larger base of research that proved the very contrary.

Again, sorry if I came across as a wacko.
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Respect to you for admitting you made a mistake.:)

At last, we now have an actual Freeman Success Story.
 
my ill will said:
Holy! I can't believe this thread is still going. I just checked an old e-mail account I haven't used in a while and got an update from the thread subscription. I completely forgot about this.

Well... I wrote all of this in high school. Oddly enough I'm studying economics and programming now, and needless to say I've grown up a little bit and realized the absurdity of my old beliefs. Sorry if I came across as a wacko or an ass. To tell you the truth, I believed in this stuff because on the inside of this group, it made sense. But on the outside, the holes and the flaws became apparent. I chose to ignore a larger base of research that proved the very contrary.

Again, sorry if I came across as a wacko.
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Just read some of your old posts.

Nothing harder than admit you've been wrong, so kudos.
 
my ill will said:
Holy! I can't believe this thread is still going. I just checked an old e-mail account I haven't used in a while and got an update from the thread subscription. I completely forgot about this.

Well... I wrote all of this in high school. Oddly enough I'm studying economics and programming now, and needless to say I've grown up a little bit and realized the absurdity of my old beliefs. Sorry if I came across as a wacko or an ass. To tell you the truth, I believed in this stuff because on the inside of this group, it made sense. But on the outside, the holes and the flaws became apparent. I chose to ignore a larger base of research that proved the very contrary.

Again, sorry if I came across as a wacko.
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Good bounce-back.

And at least you were at high school, a friend of mine is hitting 30 and he's falling for this guff now.
 
Well, I don't want to make excuses. I was ignorant. I'm glad I taught myself to see an issue from all sides before painting a picture of it.
 
my ill will said:
Holy! I can't believe this thread is still going. I just checked an old e-mail account I haven't used in a while and got an update from the thread subscription. I completely forgot about this.

Well... I wrote all of this in high school. Oddly enough I'm studying economics and programming now, and needless to say I've grown up a little bit and realized the absurdity of my old beliefs. Sorry if I came across as a wacko or an ass. To tell you the truth, I believed in this stuff because on the inside of this group, it made sense. But on the outside, the holes and the flaws became apparent. I chose to ignore a larger base of research that proved the very contrary.

Again, sorry if I came across as a wacko.
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Way to go!:clap:

(Man, doncha just love higher education?)
 
The judge turned his attempt at being slippery (...I'm not that man...) back on him:

Having heard repeated denials that he was the man named, the judge said he had no choice but to remand Mr Sludds in custody because there was some confusion about his true identity.

“I can’t accept a bail bond from someone whose signature can’t be verified,” he said, remanding Mr Sludds to Cloverhill prison.
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Sweet
 
Boot2TheHead said:
Not sure where to post this; the old "failures" thread hasn't been active in months so I didn't want to revive it for this.

Anyway, one more for the pile:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0811/1224302232246.html
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Declaring that he was before the court “under duress”, Bobby Oliver Sludds (29), Ballagh Cove, Enniscorthy, Co Wexford, said Judge David Anderson had no jurisdiction to deal with the case unless he first produced his oath.

“Where did you read that?” asked the judge.

“The Constitution. It says that a judge must offer up his oath when requested and I am asking you, do you have your oath?” said Mr Sludds, before picking up a copy of the Constitution and quoting from it at length.
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Hmmm....yet another FoTLer who can't seem to understand what he reads....


Assuming this is the Irish constitution he's referring to....

5.
1° Every person appointed a judge under this Constitution shall make and subscribe the following declaration:

"In the presence of Almighty God I, , do solemnly and sincerely promise and declare that I will duly and faithfully and to the best of my knowledge and power execute the office of Chief Justice (or as the case may be) without fear or favour, affection or ill-will towards any man, and that I will uphold the Constitution and the laws. May God direct and sustain me."

2° This declaration shall be made and subscribed by the Chief Justice in the presence of the President, and by each of the other judges of the Supreme Court, the judges of the High Court and the judges of every other Court in the presence of the Chief Justice or the senior available judge of the Supreme Court in open court.

3° The declaration shall be made and subscribed by every judge before entering upon his duties as such judge, and in any case not later than ten days after the date of his appointment or such later date as may be determined by the President.

4° Any judge who declines or neglects to make such declaration as aforesaid shall be deemed to have vacated his office.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ireland#External_links


Nothing there about "producing your oath", only that it must be sworn in front of "the Chief Justice or the senior available judge of the Supreme Court in open court." Unless he expects them to have to do that every day, his objection is nonsensical.


And, as an interesting aside, this document doesn't even use the word "oath", it seems to refer exclusively to "declarations". So even that's a fail!
 
Hans said:
The judge turned his attempt at being slippery (...I'm not that man...) back on him:

Sweet
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That was not a good idea on Freeman Sludds's part; Judge Anderson is not noted for his tolerance of idiocy in his court; he threatened to call the head of the Health Service Executive into his court last year to explain why a teenager in the care of the HSE was involved in criminal activity.
 
Hans said:
The judge turned his attempt at being slippery (...I'm not that man...) back on him:



Sweet
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Now this is denial:

“You can’t do this. This isn’t over. You can expect a bill,” Mr Sludds shouted as he was led away.


Telling them that they can't do it while they are busy doing it is some really first class denial of reality.
 
tsig said:
Now this is denial:

“You can’t do this. This isn’t over. You can expect a bill,” Mr Sludds shouted as he was led away.


Telling them that they can't do it while they are busy doing it is some really first class denial of reality.
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That sums up the entire sovereign/freeman/lawful rebellion "movement" with almost haiku efficiency.
 
the freeman "movement" is now at a standstill.
It may take another few months for some more delusional pothead freeloaders to stumble across one of the websites to re-ignite it, but for now its over.
I signed up to freeman rebels (Ray St Clairs site) and was asked for £12 a year subs to access the site (give Ray St Clair my bank details?? Yeh right)
When I questioned the "Donation" I was PMd by someone on the site inviting me to his site, I signed up and have now convinced him its all nonsense and hes closing it down (it only took a day :D)

The freeman movement is self debunking as long as you ask the right questions to the loons.
 
solzhenitsyn said:
That sums up the entire sovereign/freeman/lawful rebellion "movement" with almost haiku efficiency.
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You cannot do this
Yourself can expect a bill
This isn't over


Now it is in haiku form (although a bit poorly worded at that).

No one has ever won in one of these, have they?
 
timhau said:
Yes they have. They occasionally win free lodging at a correctional facility for infractions that, for the rest of the world, result in a caution or at most a fine.
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In America it wouldn't necessarily be free, some jurisdictions charge you for jail time.
 
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