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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

I've been through this at least double digit times...I've never said anything different.
Then why are you giving credence to Jones' experiments and attempting to use them to discredit NIST's findings if you know that those experiments are inherently flawed?

It's not my fault things are the way they are.
But it is your fault you're using them to further your flawed agenda.
 
Then why are you giving credence to Jones' experiments and attempting to use them to discredit NIST's findings if you know that those experiments are inherently flawed?


But it is your fault you're using them to further your flawed agenda.

As I have been saying to many people, go out and do your own unflawed experiment. No one seems to want to do that.
 
As I have been saying to many people, go out and do your own unflawed experiment. No one seems to want to do that.
Okay, what do you need the experiment to show? That molten aluminum will flow and still retain it's orange color? That's already been shown.
 
See: screenshot from post 2073

My God there's just no getting through to some of you. All metal when initially heated will have that glow for the shortest amount of time. It quickly cools and will go back to silver (in this case) Why do you think NIST said you would expect pure aluminum to melt silver. Probably because it would.
 
I've been through this at least double digit times...I've never said anything different. It's not my fault things are the way they are.
You can claim that the earth is flat a thousand times, it still doesn't mean the earth is flat.

And it's hilarious how your truther video which claims molten aluminum is silver shows it glowing orange as they're pouring it. You fail so spectacularly, and can't even see it.
 
My God there's just no getting through to some of you. All metal when initially heated will have that glow for the shortest amount of time. It quickly cools and will go back to silver (in this case) Why do you think NIST said you would expect pure aluminum to melt silver. Probably because it would.

The bolded statement is either mis-thunk or mis-typed. "all metal??"
 
You clearly did not read the article.
Oh I read it all, including;
"Meanwhile Martín de Pozuelo consulted aviation experts—among them an aeronautical engineer who asked not to be identified, due to his rank. He spent all one morning analising the photos in the “La Vanguardia”. His pronouncement reinforced the hypothesis of something added to the fuselage."

So this unnamed 'engineer' spent a few hours looking ONLY at the pictures they had of the 9/11/01 aircraft. He didn't bother to look at anything else, like other photos of 767s, or Boeing's own website.
Hope they didn't have to pay this anon engineer.

Even besides who better to go to then the people that make the plane?

Oh, yeah, like Boeing's website!

All they had to say was, there's nothing unusual this is just a fairing. I gThe article also said they were in contact with Boeing for 10 days everyday until Boeing made their pronouncement. ive them tremendous credit for not doing that, if they had done that, I certainly wouldn't be talking about it nor would many CT. You make absolutely no sense, look at Boeing's website for drawings, when we don't get the answer we want from them. That's essentially what you are saying. Do you see how little sense that makes? These are the people, very smart people, that make the planes. You're asking the people that made those drawings, they give an answer, but you should look at the drawings anyway because the answer they gave is wrong? It's absurd. Totally absurd. You and others are just saying this because you don't like their answer.

I don't know exactly why Boeing gave the answer they did and I don't particularilycare. It raises no suspicion in me about the plane in question nor Boeing itself.
What is absurd is that the reporters and the engineer could not be bothered to access free info from Boeing themselves. That they could not be bothered doing a little leg work and finding other photos of 767s or even travelling to an airport where a 767 is and looking at it themselves. Instead they decided to remain seated in their office. Perhaps in a small town weekly newspaper one would not have resources but IIRC you said that this is a big important paper and that these are top line reporters.
Again, why is it that I, a guy who hung around with journalism students 35 years ago, can come up with the other photos and the Boeing drawings and, if I were so inclined travel two hours down the highway(I DO live in a small town) to an international airport where I at one time worked, and go on the tarmac and look at 757 and 767s? Yet these trained and important reporters could not tear themselves out of their chairs.
We also do not know the exact wording of the request to Boeing. I know what the exact wording of other 911 conspiracy groups corresspondance was to other organizations such as PfT's dealing with the NTSB. I am sure Boeing knows how those conversations go as well. I am not suprised that Boeing refused to speak on the issue.
 
? What is the temperature of the massive office fires at that corner?

The aircraft impact pushed a lot of office contents to that corner, including the oxygen generators. What is the highest temperate an office fire can reach? Did you see the fire raging in that section? What temperature do oxygen generators burn at?


How many oxygen generators are on an aircraft? What happens when they catch fire?

I had seen posts about the O2 generators in the past but had not seen video or tech specs and such a fire before. Thanks Beachnut. Its evident that in local spots of the towers its quite possible that temps greatly exceeded 'normal' office fire temps and especially in the corner of WTC 2 where much of the aircraft ended up. NIST likely did not take this into account in their fire temp reconstructions due to the difficulty in knowing how many or the locations of the generators that were on fire.
 
I never said it was from the South Tower before the fall. He doesn't say where it is from only that he obtained it. Here is the link.
Whoa there tmd I have asked you on several occassions how Jones could identify the material as having been that which flowed (you may recall this phrase) ONE corner of ONE floor of ONE tower. You stated you did not know but he said it was from there. That seemed good enough for you. NOW however you say that you, and he, do not say where the sample was from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A&NR=1

So Jones holds up a small sample of something in a grainy video and says "its not aluminum from the planes" and you assume that for some reason that JOnes had determined where molten aluminum from the planes would have been in the debris, that the sample he shows was in fact at one time on 9/11/01 in liquid form and you just believe him.

In another video you link to the voice over says that the smoke was turning whiter and that this indicated that the FFs were getting a hand on putting out the fires and Jones says that the white smoke indicates a high temp thermite burn.

Well we know that the FFs never got much of a chance to get water on anything, only one crew reported getting as high as the 78th floor of either tower so its certain that the white smoke was not the FFs getting control of the fires. But wait, in that video the voiceover then states that this indicated that the fires were getting cooler/burnming out/being put out. Obviously this is incorrect since very high temp fires such as thermite or Beachnut's above example of burning O2 generators produce white flames and white smoke and if the FFs were not putting out fires you cannot say that the fires were being put out either. (gee a reporter's initial guess was wrong)

Also why do you NIST would have put that qualifier as to why the metal flowing was not Silver, if it should have been Silver anyway? Doesn't make any sense.

What? You complain that NIST did not do enough work or explain things well enough and now NIST explains too much?

Does your left hand know what your right hand is doing?
 
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Does your left hand know what your right hand is doing?
Of course not! Having the ability to pimp 2 mutually exclusive events at the same time is almost a requirement for being a truther. For example, tmd2_1 has claimed that Boeing is in on it. He has also claimed that Boeing is not in on it.

He can't bring himself to retract either claim, poor guy.
 
Everyone has seen that molten flow from the South tower. I think I put on a strong case that it is steel. Steve jones ran an analysis, showing it was not aluminum. If you look at that previous video it's around the 1:30 mark. I mean when do the excuses end?

Oops, tmd , you in fact did state that Jones had run tests on the molten material coing from the south tower, 80 floors up.
 

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