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UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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So you take the Rramjet route huh? "Can't find evidence so let's redefine anecdotes so it means evidence"
Which seems rather odd and slightly hypocritical when ufology uses a "very narrow definition" of pseudo science to claim that UFOlogy isn't pseudo science... Ooops, which thread am in, they are all starting to look the same. :blush:
 
All that is evidence for the existence of UFOs. It is not evidence for the existence of alien visitors.


Well actually, if you use the word alien, as in alien to our modern civilization, it fits the definition perfectly ( no known manmade or natural phenomena ). However I am willing to concede that the evidence is only supportive of an extraterrstrial origin. In other words, OK they're here, or at least have been here in recent times, but where exactly they are from is another story.

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Anyone who's served on a few juries knows that eyewitness testimony is often wrong. I've served on over a dozen, and I can recall cases in which apparently disinterested, well-meaning, honest people swore under oath to absolutely contradictory conditions: the green truck ran the red light. No, it was the red Toyota that ran the light, the brown Chevrolet truck had a green light. The green Ford truck was driven by an elderly man. No, he was in the red Honda, and the woman was in the black truck. That's a summary of eyewitness testimony in a traffic case (the woman was suing for damages; there were, iirc, FIVE eyewitnesses, each of whom thought himself or herself correct and no two of whom agreed on the major details). The jury finally found for the plaintiff, but awarded her a very trifling sum, $100 instead of the $50,000 she asked for, because we couldn't really figure out exactly what happened from the eyewitness testimony.

An eyewitness anecdote unsupported by physical evidence cannot be trusted, whether it's about a UFO or a traffic accident.
 
All that is evidence for the existence of UFOs. It is not evidence for the existence of alien visitors.


Well actually, if you use the word alien, as in alien to our modern civilization, it fits the definition perfectly ( no known manmade or natural phenomena ).


Piffle. It fits the definition of unidentified.

Only this and nothing more.


However I am willing to concede that the evidence is only supportive of an extraterrstrial origin.


What evidence would that be?


In other words, OK they're here, or at least have been here in recent times, but where exactly they are from is another story.


Cloud Cuckoo Goose Land.
 
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It's just a shame they couldn't have been mink or some such animal.
Close Encounters of the Furred Kind would have been much better. :D
Bats would suffice. Has there ever been a case of mistaken identity of batfoliens? (with or without reflective tin foil waistcoats)

ETA: Damn! I really should read the whole thread before posting! :blush:
 
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This is again getting very complicated. All we need is answers. I guess we don´t have them. Not ET. Not mundane. Not non-mundane.

I am not surprised that this can get personal then, since we don´t have anything to discuss. Or do we?

I thank all of you quoting me and replying me. I really wish I could answer you all. Maybe I can´t, you are such a talented debateres. I am only an amateur. Probably will lose all the discussions in a game manner to speak.

It´s fun though, but I feel that I am always on the losing side.
 
This is again getting very complicated. All we need is answers. I guess we don´t have them. Not ET. Not mundane. Not non-mundane.
No, we don't always have answers. That's why the skeptics can honestly say, "I don't know." The UFOlogists do have an answer and that is, "If you don't know exactly what mundane explanation it is, I can shove my favorite god of the gaps in." Unfortunately, that answer is not honest.

I am not surprised that this can get personal then, since we don´t have anything to discuss. Or do we?
Yes, the UFOlogists really do take this personally. It is their religion, after all. People get very defensive about beliefs and the more groundless the belief, the more defensive they get. I'm sure they don't mean any harm.

I thank all of you quoting me and replying me. I really wish I could answer you all. Maybe I can´t, you are such a talented debateres. I am only an amateur. Probably will lose all the discussions in a game manner to speak.
I wish you would read the answers you get and try to understand them. It's very discouraging to explain to someone about the null hypothesis and the burden of proof and then have them turn around and ask what mundane explanation can we think of.

It´s fun though, but I feel that I am always on the losing side.

The only way to lose is if you don't learn something.
 
It´s fun though, but I feel that I am always on the losing side.
I would hate for you to feel that way. Admittedly, it can be a difficult thing to wade through evidence, logic, etc., so that a conclusion is a good one. But the real winning side is when you know you're standing on firm ground, not jumping the gun, not going off half-cocked.

The reality that we can truly discover is mind-boggling all by itself.
 
You guys slay me......!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!
Thanks Astrophotographer :)

It seems the wildlife is getting all the picture gags...

Here's one for you and the work you've done.

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Well both of you really goosed this thread .:duck:


I must admit, the thread has become a lot less tedious in the last day or so. Can't quite put my finger on why, although I suspect the approaching equinox when the Sun will be directly over the North Pole might have something to do with it.
 
although I suspect the approaching equinox when the Sun will be directly over the North Pole might have something to do with it.
Is the North Pole that one to the West over the mountains or the other one that attracts a sea mist whilst at the coastline there is no mist at all?
 
Is the North Pole that one to the West over the mountains or the other one that attracts a sea mist whilst at the coastline there is no mist at all?


It's where the Magpie Geese go so they don't have to fly over Apollo Bay.
 
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