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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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On the evening of 07/20/1969, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin allegedly piloted the LM Eagle, to what was to become the renown "Tranquility Base".
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I like alternate history; it's one of my favorite genres of fiction. Where can I pick up your book? Is it in stores?
 
Stars of kryptonite, the lost bird of moon base 00 41 15 23 26 00

"Though you would seek to unsphere the stars with oaths,"

William Shakespeare, from The Winter's Tale
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Never mind. Just saw your second post.
 
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If the landings were faked then clearly these laser-dudes had to be part of the conspiracy.

So why didn't they just fake success with the laser thing instead of giving people like you 'evidence' of fakery.

D'uh.

Because wall of text. Duh. ;)
 
I had an eccentric aunt.. (well ..who didnt have one? ) ..who belived the moon was made of phosphorous ... thats why it glowed at night. She said the americans wanted to get to the moon to get the phosphorus.

I made the mistake of asking her the reason they wanted the phosphorous .. "the reply .. "To make bombs! The used phosphorous in bombs in WW2 and they want the phosphorous for bigger bombs in WW3"


So there you have it folks, straight from between granny's dentures..
 
Patrick1000: Use your fine command of language to write short, concise posts. It is not that we can't read long texts, but we need to know if it is worth the time to do so.

Hans
 
I would have made some of the text different colour, to make it pleasing to the eye.

I wonder if the poster is being paid by the word? :D
 
Fattydash, what is your opinion of people who lie when they accept the TOS while registering sock-puppets?

Also, since you claim that some inconsistencies must mean the whole thing was a fraud, what are we to make of the way you kept changing your story over on AH? ETA: and now we see that you've changed your story yet again. Why can't you keep your story straight?

Also, what are you today? A doctor, an engineer, or something else?
 
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Does anyone wanna break the news to this guy about the russians and the three radio receivers thing, or do we wanna watch him squirm for a while?
 
Does anyone wanna break the news to this guy about the russians and the three radio receivers thing, or do we wanna watch him squirm for a while?

Don't bother. He's spammed this same drivel under multiple sock-puppet handles on both apollohoax and Bad Astronomy. He's changed his story multiple times as his errors and inconsistencies were exposed, and is apparently in love with the sound of his own voice, er, keyboard.

Read the apollohoax thread linked above if you want the extended dance remix. Or just wait and he'll re-spam it all here.
 
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I realize this guy is likely a troll, but let's look at his claim:

The basic claim when you strip off all the word salad is really this:

Facts:

Apollo 11 did not land in the exact planned spot.
In consequence, a group trying to make a laser ranging to the retro-reflector placed by the Apollo 11 team, failed to find the reflector.
Without establishing their actual position, the Apollo team could not have reconnected with the command module.

Claims:

The above mentioned laser ranging team apparently did not get a precise update on the position.
So Apollo 11 is a hoax.

Rebuttals

1) Of course the whole claim requires a huge leap of faith. Just because some team failed to catch a laser reflector it makes no sense to conclude some huge conspiracy.

2) There may be a number of reasons why the laser team did not get the updated position: Maybe NASA forgot/didn't bother to tell them; maybe there was an error in the transferred info (remember, this was before the age of e-mails, so such info would be transferred with telex, phone or the like), maybe something else went wrong.

3) Even if they did get the updated info, obtaining a laser return is not a simple matter. The laser beam, when it reaches the moon, is only about 4 miles wide, so actually hitting the laser corresponds to aiming a rifle to hit a dime 2 miles array. Finally the light that can be detected back on earth is just a few photons. So even if they did get a return, they mat easily have missed it.

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

Hans
 
I followed that whole thing at apollohoax. It was quite odd. There was one post he did that was half a book, made the one above look positively sparse:D

For those who can't be bothered to read his posts, and who can blame you....


He is saying that because the LICK team setting up the laser ranging were given a precise co-ordinate before Apollo 11 got back to Earth, it means the whole thing was fake, since they didn't have a precise co-ordinate.

That is wrong, they had numerous co-ordinates, the most accurate one being probably the reconstructed accelerometer readings. This turned out to be the actual correct placement.


He then took the NOUN 76 readings from the AGC and converted them to Lat and Long and determined they are wrong.:confused:

The NOUN 76 readings correspond to velocities, so that is why they would be wrong. He actually patted himself on the back in triumph as he did this, praising his detective and maths skills:rolleyes:


All explained on this page...

http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=3203&page=36


That's basically it. There's also lots of huffing and puffing about rendezvous and stuff, and an uncanny fixation with Jay Windley.
 
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