Merged Is ufology a pseudoscience?

ufology said:
Ufology culture is a significant portion of ufology as a whole. Therefore, before ufology as a whole can be labeled pseudoscience, one must be able to apply the definintion of pseudoscience to such significant examples of ufology culture as Close Encounters of The Third Kind, Futurama ( episode: Roswell That Ends Well ), the X-Files, The Day the Earth Stood Still ( original ), Earth vs The Flying Saucers ... etc.
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Technically, in isolation that wouldn't be seen by the majority of people as 'UFOlogy', but more "liking fictional films about aliens"... I do it all the time I love those films.
UFOlogy is the study of (ology) Unidentified Flying Objects, not films about aliens.
 
ufology, you've not answered this post yet.
RoboTimbo said:
It's been shown with examples and logic that UFOlogy is a pseudoscience just like homeopathy and all the other pseudosciences are. You are too close to the issue, too engaged in the pseudoscience of it to see it for yourself.



You refuse to accept that you are a pseudoscientist engaged in the pseudoscience of UFOlogy, even though you claim to use science right on your own website. You also claim to illuminate the truth about alien visitation to planet Earth. That combination means that it is pseudoscience. The "discipline" of UFOlogy as a whole is engaged in the same thing as you espouse on your website. UFOlogy as a whole is a pseudoscience. They begin with their conclusion of aliens and then misuse science to try to make themselves believe it. That's pseudoscience.

You were given ample opportunity to show differences between other pseudosciences and UFOlogy. You declined. You were asked for examples of specific instances of UFOlogy practicing pseudoscience. You declined. You will simply defend your pseudoscience to your last breath despite the fact that it is a known and recognized pseudoscience and has been shown and proven in this thread and others and on your website and on others that it is a pseudoscience. You were given an opportunity to adopt an actual scientific null hypothesis. You declined. You've got nothing. It's pseudoscience.

If you finally admit that you are a pseudoscientist engaged in pseudoscience, you win the prize. I don't need you to show me that a UFOlogist eating his breakfast isn't engaging in pseudoscience. Show me where you and Rramjet and King of the Americas and the other pseudoscientists don't begin with your conclusion that "OMG It's PseudoAliens!"
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ufology said:
I'll rephrase that: I'm still waiting for a meaningful answer to this post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=1736

j.r.
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Try asking a meaningful question. You've still failed to address the fatal issues with your arguments:
RoboTimbo said:
ufology, you've not answered this post yet.
RoboTimbo said:
It's been shown with examples and logic that UFOlogy is a pseudoscience just like homeopathy and all the other pseudosciences are. You are too close to the issue, too engaged in the pseudoscience of it to see it for yourself.



You refuse to accept that you are a pseudoscientist engaged in the pseudoscience of UFOlogy, even though you claim to use science right on your own website. You also claim to illuminate the truth about alien visitation to planet Earth. That combination means that it is pseudoscience. The "discipline" of UFOlogy as a whole is engaged in the same thing as you espouse on your website. UFOlogy as a whole is a pseudoscience. They begin with their conclusion of aliens and then misuse science to try to make themselves believe it. That's pseudoscience.

You were given ample opportunity to show differences between other pseudosciences and UFOlogy. You declined. You were asked for examples of specific instances of UFOlogy practicing pseudoscience. You declined. You will simply defend your pseudoscience to your last breath despite the fact that it is a known and recognized pseudoscience and has been shown and proven in this thread and others and on your website and on others that it is a pseudoscience. You were given an opportunity to adopt an actual scientific null hypothesis. You declined. You've got nothing. It's pseudoscience.

If you finally admit that you are a pseudoscientist engaged in pseudoscience, you win the prize. I don't need you to show me that a UFOlogist eating his breakfast isn't engaging in pseudoscience. Show me where you and Rramjet and King of the Americas and the other pseudoscientists don't begin with your conclusion that "OMG It's PseudoAliens!"
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AdMan said:
You are being disingenuous and this is a pathetic argument.

But even so, the pseudo science comes across in these works of fiction. E.g. the title Close Encounters of the Third Kind comes from Vallee's 1972 book "The UFO Experience: A Scientific Study".
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Address the argument not the arguer ... and if you claim that the argument itself is "pathetic" then you are obligated to demonstrate that the logic is false.

The logic is: To put all of ufology under the pseuoscience label, then all ufology has to fall under the definition ... not just the parts that suit your bias. So again address the argument made in the post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=1736

NOTE: Vallees book is not part of the examples in the post above.

j.r.
 
ufology said:
The logic is: To put all of ufology under the pseuoscience label, then all ufology has to fall under the definition ... not just the parts that suit your bias. So again address the argument made in the post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=1736

NOTE: Vallees book is not part of the examples in the post above.

j.r.
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I answered it already, you are ignoring my answer too.

But I see you are intentionally restricting the parameters used to defend your point.

Before long we'll be at: UFOlogists sometimes read the credits at the end of Mars Attacks... What's pseudo scientific about that. :rolleyes:
 
Stray Cat said:
I answered it already, you are ignoring my answer too.

But I see you are intentionally restricting the parameters used to defend your point.

Before long we'll be at: UFOlogists sometimes read the credits at the end of Mars Attacks... What's pseudo scientific about that. :rolleyes:
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The paramers in my post are all that is needed to answer the question posed by this thread. If all ufology is to be labelled pseudoscience, then all ufology must be shown to be pseudoscience ... including the significant examples I gave as part of ufology culture ... all I need is 1 ( one ) example of ufology that is not pseudoscience to eliminate it from being labelled pseudoscience as a whole. I've already demostrated numerous examples in books and films ... how long is it going to take you to see the logic?

j.r.
 
ufology said:
The paramers in my post are all that is needed to answer the question posed by this thread. If all ufology is to be labelled pseudoscience, then all ufology must be shown to be pseudoscience ... including the significant examples I gave as part of ufology culture ... all I need is 1 ( one ) example of ufology that is not pseudoscience to eliminate it from being labelled pseudoscience as a whole. I've already demostrated numerous examples in books and films ... how long is it going to take you to see the logic?

j.r.
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ufology, is homeopathy a pseudoscience?
 
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