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Perhaps...but whether that's true or not is irrelevant. If there was molten steel that casts a huge amount of doubt on the official story.

No, it would simply demonstrate that there was molten steel present, which would no doubt stimulate some mild curiosity about the mechanism involved.
 
Jet fuel office fires do not get hot enough to melt steel. Molten steel means something else is in there (thermite?) How would AQ have gotten access to the buildings?
Presuppsoes that AQ was responsible for the melting of steel that has not been shown to be steel in the first place.(see below)

Stating contrary scenarios with evidence is more than enough. Whether you believe it or not there is evidence out there.

You have not shown any evidence that anything other than the flights in question impacted the towers. You have not shown anything other than heresay evidence, and subjective analysis of videos, of molten steel in the basements or having flowed from a corner of the south tower.

Also I find it strange you mentioned tankers. In this thread I don't believe I mentioned the word tanker...it's strange you would say that. I know I never mentioned 767-200 tankers. Maybe someone else did.
You guys love to put words in people's mouths. I said it was possible remote controlled 767's were used. Modified tankers. Showed evidence of how it could be done, showed Boeing's weird statement on the matter http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7452090&postcount=1614
Have you made so much fiction up as you go along that you now cannot recall all of what you drew out of a dark , warm and damp place?
Either way there is a strange POD underneath, that does not appear to be a reflection or photo distortion. What it is I don't know. But it doesn't appear to belong there.

It does belong there , see the section on debunking 911 myths.

How Jones made that determination I don't know you would have to ask him. I'm simply saying he did..I can't add anymore to it.
Well I really cannot see how anyone could identify any object as having come from the material flowing out from 80 floors up that was found some time after 220 storeys of office structure has dropped on it.
If Jones does not say how he did it in the video then his research is not complete and any claim he makes in again no better than fiction. Yet for some reason you did not question Jones' claim in the least. What does that say about your appeal to authority?

You are wrong about the amount of steel melted without an explosion. You clearly did not watch any of the Cole videos. He melts an awful lot of steel with just a few pounds.

Cole did not melt anything close to the amount of steel suggested by Jones et al. They would have us believe that huge numbers of very large columns had sections melted out of them in a timed fashion
AND
that there was enough thermite to keep supplying heat to the underground for weeks after collapse (odd here that none of this left over thermite was seen burning on the surface, neat trick that).

Jones also has various versions of xthermxte distributed throughout the structure, basic thermite, thermate(with sulphur) and hush-a-boom explosive super-thermite. If there were a way to have a version of thermite flying the planes he'd invoke it as well.
 
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Presuppsoes that AQ was responsible for the melting of steel that has not been shown to be steel in the first place.(see below)



You have not shown any evidence that anything other than the flights in question impacted the towers. You have not shown anything other than heresay evidence, and subjective analysis of videos, of molten steel in the basements or having flowed from a corner of the south tower.



Have you made so much fiction up as you go along that you now cannot recall all of what you drew out of a dark , warm and damp place?


It does belong there , see the section on debunking 911 myths.


Well I really cannot see how anyone could identify any object as having come from the material flowing out from 80 floors up that was found some time after 220 storeys of office structure has dropped on it.
If Jones does not say how he did it in the video then his research is not complete and any claim he makes in again no better than fiction. Yet for some reason you did not question Jones' claim in the least. What does that say about your appeal to authority?



Cole did not melt anything close to the amount of steel suggested by Jones et al. They would have us believe that huge numbers of very large columns had sections melted out of them in a timed fashion
AND
that there was enough thermite to keep supplying heat to the underground for weeks after collapse (odd here that none of this left over thermite was seen burning on the surface, neat trick that).

Jones also has various versions of xthermxte distributed throughout the structure, basic thermite, thermate(with sulphur) and hush-a-boom explosive super-thermite. If there were a way to have a version of thermite flying the planes he'd invoke it as well.


Sep 16th NASA photos show it was hot enough to still melt aluminum on top of the rubble. How hot was it underneath? The POD is still a mystery, as seen by the statement in my OP. See here for more info. http://911anomalies.wordpress.com/

I did mention tanker..sorry I really did forget. But I didn't mention 767-200 tankers though.
 
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tmd - maybe you missed this the first time I posted the pic:

warmminigun.jpg


What's up with the steel in this picture? is it melted, molten or something else?
 
tmd - maybe you missed this the first time I posted the pic:

[qimg]http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7192/warmminigun.jpg[/qimg]

What's up with the steel in this picture? is it melted, molten or something else?

it looks so unreal, is it real?

but anyway, another example

 
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it looks so unreal, is it real?

but anyway, another example


It's very real, and the exhaust system vid is a great example as well.

I'll wait for tmd to throw in whatever-the-hell he can google up, if anything.

I don't expect much, truthbots are great on questions, short on answers, and the farther away from reality the better they like it.
 
Perhaps...but whether that's true or not is irrelevant.
It is absolutely true. No opinion involved at all. The steel would fail at far, far less than its melting point.

If there was molten steel
There's no evidence that there was. You certainly haven't offered any.

And even if there was molten steel in the pile weeks after 9/11, it would be nothing more than a curiosity. It certainly could not be connected with any thermite from weeks earlier, because that is 100% impossible.
 
In fact, they claim it was cooked up by the government to make truthers look stupid. What does that make you in their eyes you think?
A 1%er? And not in the biker gang sense.
 
Sep 16th NASA photos show it was hot enough to still melt aluminum on top of the rubble. How hot was it underneath?

Regrettably, those satellite photos were horribly misinterpreted. The hardware was simply not capable of operating within those parameters.

But I'd guess it would be a waste of time asking you to read Ryan Mackey's analysis of the issue.

Or would it?
 
Sep 16th NASA photos show it was hot enough to still melt aluminum on top of the rubble. How hot was it underneath?

I did not ask about how hot it was, I expressed doubt that there was thermite supplying heat to the underground debris, especially given that for some reason none of this left over thermite seems to have been on the top of the debris. Do you not find it odd that, supposing Jones is correct, that the thermite supplying heat to the debris is exclusive to well below grade?

The POD is still a mystery, as seen by the statement in my OP. See here for more info. http://911anomalies.wordpress.com/
http://911review.com/errors/phantom/st_plane.html
I did mention tanker..sorry I really did forget. But I didn't mention 767-200 tankers though.

OK, I'll look around.

ETA: it was in the "Continuation...." thread where you were expounding upon this fantasy tmd.

BTW the tanker version of a 767 was developed from the 767-200ER and again later from the 767-200LRF. So referring to a 767 and a tanker in the same sentence or post would mean that you are referring to a 767-200 variant.
Sort of like you referring to facial tissue made by Kimberly-Clark and me referring to it as you having talked about Kleenex.
 
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Perhaps...but whether that's true or not is irrelevant. If there was molten steel that casts a huge amount of doubt on the official story.

Not exactly, depends on your definition of "molten".

mol·ten (mltn)
v. Archaic
A past participle of melt.
adj.
1. Made liquid by heat; melted: molten lead.
2. Made by melting and casting in a mold.
3. Brilliantly glowing, from or as if from intense heat:

Which definition fits the "official story"?
WTC fires were hot enough to make steel glow.


Jet fuel office fires do not get hot enough to melt steel. Molten steel means something else is in there (thermite?) How would AQ have gotten access to the buildings?
Glowing steel means office fires. Melted steel is false. No piles of steel were found melted. The piece which 911 truth thinks melted, was corrosion. Corrosion is not melted.

Stating contrary scenarios with evidence is more than enough. Whether you believe it or not there is evidence out there.
Where is your evidence. You have hearsay, lies and fantasy. Stop and collect your "evidence". Look at it, it is hearsay, what Jones said, not evidence.

Also I find it strange you mentioned tankers. In this thread I don't believe I mentioned the word tanker...it's strange you would say that. I know I never mentioned 767-200 tankers. Maybe someone else did. Either way there is a strange POD underneath, that does not appear to be a reflection or photo distortion. What it is I don't know. But it doesn't appear to belong there.
It is called where the landing gear is stored, and the photo and lighting make it look funny to you.

How Jones made that determination I don't know you would have to ask him. I'm simply saying he did..I can't add anymore to it.
He made it up.

You are wrong about the amount of steel melted without an explosion. You clearly did not watch any of the Cole videos. He melts an awful lot of steel with just a few pounds.
They use thermite to fuse railroad sections together, not melt steel. Try to remember, jet fuel has ten times the heat energy of thermite, and in the WTC the office contents had more heat energy than thermite; the office contents caused the collapse. Did you run the numbers? Painting all the steel with thermite, you raise the temperature 8 degrees. Wow. Did you pay attention to the videos you push from Cole, thermite leaves products fused to the steel - the evidence you would have if thermite was used on 911. But thermite was made by Jones, with no evidence.
 
Jet fuel office fires do not get hot enough to melt steel. ......

I see I missed your opening term. Thanks to reading Beahnut's post I caught it now.

What is a "jet fuel office fire"?
The office fires in the towers were started by the burning jet fuel. The jet fuel was what is known as an acellerant and caused the office fires to be, within seconds, large area fires on each of several adjacent floors. This is a condition (multiple large area fires on several adjacent floors within seconds) that simply has never occured anywhere except in this one case of large fast fuel laden passenger jets ramming 200 foot square office buildings known as WTC 1 & 2.

No fire engineering firm has ever run tests in which multiple floors are set ablaze at the same time over large areas.
 
You're right I forgot to say at 1800F it melts silver. Temperature those fires should have got to. No other metals are plausible, do you really think NIST would have concluded it was aluminum if they could make a case for any other metal? They could have said something like it could be aluminum from the plane mixed with other material. It could be from copper tubing...etc, but they only said aluminum, because they know that is the only plausible answer for the amount of melting that was seen.

Also do you think they would have said something like the mixing of other materials is what caused the orange, if they didn't know it should have melted Silver?

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Perhaps...but whether that's true or not is irrelevant. If there was molten steel that casts a huge amount of doubt on the official story.

No it doesn't. Because there was none.

If there was a massive pool of molten steel, it would have been found during the removal phase.

There was none found.
 

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