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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

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It isn't. Troofers cannot get the simplest things correct. :rolleyes:
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Sure it is, he is saying basically all you have is Youtube. The implication being why is not in a "respected" journal. With out a doubt an appeal to authority.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Well let's look at it in reverse. I think we can all agree that if there is molten steel there is a huge problem right? It might NOT be molten aluminum. There is reasonable doubt to what it is. Do you realize we've (if you're American) been fighting for 10 years that no reasonable conclusion can be based on? I would say in my opinion based on everything I've seen and read I am around 95% sure it is steel.
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argument based on willful ignorance



I know others don't feel that way. But are they 95% sure it's aluminum? I think most looking at the evidence would say not. I know there is more to it, but there is also more discrepancies, all you have to do is look at my OP. As I've said the evidence points greatly in favor of it being molten steel.
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argument based on willful ignorance

It's not silvery (as lead and aluminum are) and when mixed with normal office supplies, the supplies will just fall off leaving the color aluminum. As shown in the experiments. I want to paste this video again for you, Jones obtained a piece of the material and determined it is not Silver. What procedure he used, you will have to take it up with him, but it is what he concluded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A&NR=1

Edit: My personal opinion is Bush had little to nothing to nothing to do with 9/11.
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troofer hand waving at its finest. :rolleyes:
 
tmd2_1 said:
Sure it is, he is saying basically all you have is Youtube. The implication being why is not in a "respected" journal. With out a doubt an appeal to authority.
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<sigh> you don't have a clue what "appeal to authority" means. Is that a surprise.....nope.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Sure it is, he is saying basically all you have is Youtube. The implication being why is not in a "respected" journal. With out a doubt an appeal to authority.
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No, you're only source for thermite and the suspicions revolving around molten steel are based solely on amateurs on youtube, and websites including the term 911<insert name here> truth. As much skepticism as you have for the MSM, I have plenty O' skepticism against websites that demand credibility just because they "rage against the machine." I have no idea how you managed to spin that as an appeal to authority, in fact you took it as if my post sided with you.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Sure it is, he is saying basically all you have is Youtube. The implication being why is not in a "respected" journal. With out a doubt an appeal to authority.
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No. You do not know what the phrase means. Carry on,you might get something right,eventually.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
No, you're only source for thermite and the suspicions revolving around molten steel are based solely on amateurs on youtube, and websites including the term 911<insert name here> truth. As much skepticism as you have for the MSM, I have plenty O' skepticism against websites that demand credibility just because they "rage against the machine." I have no idea how you managed to spin that as an appeal to authority, in fact you took it as if my post sided with you.
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Ok...what is your source for thinking it is aluminum? I would assume NIST etc right? Isn't that the authority? For the record I question everything and anything regardless of where it comes from. You have people that run experiments heat aluminum up to 1800F it pours out silver. You have people run more experiments showing what NIST said is incorrect, when mixed with normal office supplies it will not blend and the office supplies will fall off. Not creating that orange appearance. These are things I can see with my own eyes. NIST simply says this will happen. Who do you think I should believe?
 
tmd2_1 said:
This is an argument based in appeal to authority.
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We already debunked your arguments 9 ways to Sunday. We are asking you why you think none of your "scholarly" and "sciency" "experts" can manage to get anything trythy published in actual peer-reviewed journals.

Are the editors of every single science and engineering journal in on it too? Shall I add them to your ever-growing list of conspirators? What the hell, I might as well! Here's your updated list:

Boeing
the FAA
the FBI
the CIA
the Mossad/Israel
Everyone who bought airline put options just prior to the attacks
the FDNY
the Port Authorty of NY-NJ
The Port Authority Police
Hundreds of air traffic controllers
Thousands of first responders in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and New York from dozens of municipalities
American Airlines
United Airlines
Thousands of Pentagon workers
NIST
ASCE
The US Attorney General's office and all their investigators
Local District Attorneys in Pennsylvania, New York, and Virginia
Engineering departments and professors within in universities across the USA and the world
The editors of every single peer-reviewed science and engineering journal

Am I missing anyone tmd2_1? We're well into the tens of thousands of conspirators at this point for your "small cabal" of conspirators.
 
WildCat said:
We already debunked your arguments 9 ways to Sunday. We are asking you why you think none of your "scholarly" and "sciency" "experts" can manage to get anything trythy published in actual peer-reviewed journals.

Are the editors of every single science and engineering journal in on it too? Shall I add them to your ever-growing list of conspirators? What the hell, I might as well! Here's your updated list:

Boeing
the FAA
the FBI
the CIA
the Mossad/Israel
Everyone who bought airline put options just prior to the attacks
the FDNY
the Port Authorty of NY-NJ
The Port Authority Police
Hundreds of air traffic controllers
Thousands of first responders in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and New York from dozens of municipalities
American Airlines
United Airlines
Thousands of Pentagon workers
NIST
ASCE
The US Attorney General's office and all their investigators
Local District Attorneys in Pennsylvania, New York, and Virginia
Engineering departments and professors within in universities across the USA and the world
The editors of every single peer-reviewed science and engineering journal

Am I missing anyone tmd2_1? We're well into the tens of thousands of conspirators at this point for your "small cabal" of conspirators.
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You're clearly putting words in my mouth...most of those terms I didn't even write down let alone accuse them of anything. Please stp doing this.
 
tmd2_1 said:
You're clearly putting words in my mouth...most of those terms I didn't even write down let alone accuse them of anything. Please stp doing this.
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Every single person on that list has been implicated by you in this thread, most in the OP.

Name any you think don't belong and I'll remove it so long as you retract the claim that implicates them.

Deal?
 
WildCat said:
We already debunked your arguments 9 ways to Sunday. We are asking you why you think none of your "scholarly" and "sciency" "experts" can manage to get anything trythy published in actual peer-reviewed journals.

Are the editors of every single science and engineering journal in on it too? Shall I add them to your ever-growing list of conspirators? What the hell, I might as well! Here's your updated list:

Boeing
the FAA
the FBI
the CIA
the Mossad/Israel
Everyone who bought airline put options just prior to the attacks
the FDNY
the Port Authorty of NY-NJ
The Port Authority Police
Hundreds of air traffic controllers
Thousands of first responders in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and New York from dozens of municipalities
American Airlines
United Airlines
Thousands of Pentagon workers
NIST
ASCE
The US Attorney General's office and all their investigators
Local District Attorneys in Pennsylvania, New York, and Virginia
Engineering departments and professors within in universities across the USA and the world
The editors of every single peer-reviewed science and engineering journal

Am I missing anyone tmd2_1? We're well into the tens of thousands of conspirators at this point for your "small cabal" of conspirators.
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A few more

Teamster union
SEIU
Iron Workers Union
Transport workers union
IEUC
ABM Industries
 
WildCat said:
Every single person on that list has been implicated by you in this thread, most in the OP.

Name any you think don't belong and I'll remove it so long as you retract the claim that implicates them.

Deal?
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I'm only going to play along a little longer. I'll go one by one

Boeing- Specifically said had nothing to do with it.
the FAA- never mentioned a word about them
the FBI - more then likely taking orders from someone above..again you make it sound like it would mean every FBI agent...not even close...I think the FBI had little to do with it.
the CIA- implicated..but again far from the whole CIA
the Mossad/Israel implicated..again far from the whole Mossad, and certainly not the whole nation of Israel or anywhere close to that.
Everyone who bought airline put options just prior to the attacks -foreknowledge so yes, but how many people did this? We don't know.
the FDNY - never implicated once
the Port Authorty of NY-NJ - never implicated once
The Port Authority Police - never implicated once
Hundreds of air traffic controllers - certainly did not implicate as a part of the original post, again if any were involved it it wouldn't have to be to many no where near 100 not even double digits. But not sure they haf any involvement.
Thousands of first responders in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and New York from dozens of municipalities - Have no idea where you get this from
American Airlines - No idea
United Airlines - No idea
Thousands of Pentagon workers - Don't believe I did this.
NIST - complicit in a cover up/pressure not to go against the mainstream
ASCE - complicit in a cover up/pressure not to go against the mainstream
The US Attorney General's office and all their investigators - Much the same as the FBI
Local District Attorneys in Pennsylvania, New York, and Virginia -Much the same as the FBI
Engineering departments and professors within in universities across the USA and the world - Simple pressure of not wanting to go against the mainstream
The editors of every single peer-reviewed science and engineering journal - Simple pressure of not wanting to go against the mainstream


I have no intention of removing anything...nothing has even been close to being "debunked"
 
tmd2_1 said:
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I have no intention of removing anything...nothing has even been close to being "debunked"
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The terrorists who are alive; produce them. Wait, this is false, you are spreading lies. You were debunked on 911, all your claims are idiotic claptrap.

You said.
NIST - complicit in a cover up/pressure not to go against the mainstream
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You lied.

You said
ASCE - complicit in a cover up/pressure not to go against the mainstream
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Another idiotic lie.

You said.
Engineering departments and professors within in universities across the USA and the world - Simple pressure of not wanting to go against the mainstream
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A willful lie. Don't like engineers? Is that because you can't do engineering?

You said.
The editors of every single peer-reviewed science and engineering journal - Simple pressure of not wanting to go against the mainstream
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All your claims are lies. Why do you make up lies about 911?
 
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tmd2_1 said:
I'm only going to play along a little longer. I'll go one by one

Boeing- Specifically said had nothing to do with it.
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I have no intention of removing anything...nothing has even been close to being "debunked"
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If Boeing and their employees had nothing to do with it why did you mention them and apply a 0.25% doubt factor to their comments? Why did you link to a page that implied Boeing made two 767s for the conspirators without anyone noticing? Given that you take nothing at face value why did you include that link when it says that cargo/tanker 767s, based on the 767-200, were used while at the same time saying that it couldn't have been a 767-200 because the forward fuselage was too long?

You seems to take everything in your list at face value while questioning the reasonable and logical conclusions that the rest of the world has come to.
 
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The only doubt I see is due to ignorance of physics, and the need to make up lies about people. He/she has failed to support a single claim with evidence. Must be preparation to celebrate 10 years of failure.

How can someone get everything wrong and claim they are right? 911 truth, failure fixed forever.
 
Reactor drone said:
If Boeing and their employees had nothing to do with it why did you mention them and apply a 0.25% doubt factor to their comments? Why did you link to a page that implied Boeing made two 767s for the conspirators without anyone noticing? Given that you take nothing at face value why did you include that link when it says that cargo/tanker 767s, based on the 767-200, were used while at the same time saying that it couldn't have been a 767-200 because the forward fuselage was too short?

You seems to take everything in your list at face value while questioning the reasonable and logical conclusions that the rest of the world has come to.
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What? I never said nor did any page I link to say Boeing made two specially designed A/C? Other people would have modified tankers. Is all I am saying. I said I think the fact that Boeing didn't come out and say that's a regular jet shows they have integrity. No Boeing had nothing to do with it at all. Again, it's very hard to go against the pressure of the mainstream.
 
tmd2_1 said:
... Again, it's very hard to go against the pressure of the mainstream.
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If anything you said was true, you would have a Pulitzer Prize. But you fail, you have no evidence to support your claim. Your claims are lies made up out of ignorance and failure to do rational research.

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Some hijackers are still alive and well
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A lie.

You have nothing that needs to be debunked. Why are you doing so poorly?

Watergate? against the mainstream, got Pulitzer Prize, in less than 2 years? Where is your/911 truth's Pulitzer? You don't have evidence, you have delusions and fantasy, and you post a lot of lies. You are debunked, a valiant Follower of 911 truth, which failed on 911, a movement stillborn.
 
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