Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

[GlennB]

No picture or report I am aware of shows victims, body parts, or fragments flying after the crash.

This is jaw-droppingly dumb.

Why would any camera be able to distinguish human remains exiting those buildings? They were all much too far away - and the movement of debris too fast - for such resolution to be achieved. You're pointing out that a lack of evidence that can never exist somehow supports your p.o.v.

tmd2_1 , I'd like to say I admire your stamina and persistence here. But that would be a lie, as all you are doing is presenting whatever random unedited thought that enters your head, post after post.

 

[triforcharity]

They were bigger then an ear. See below. Big difference between that and bone fragment less then 1/16th of an inch.
We don't even know where these people came from they may not have even been on the planes.

Why would the collapse force people out? No reason for it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771

http://www.cnn.com/US/valujet.592/timeline.html

Many pieces were bigger than that, your ignorance notwithstanding.

Feel free to look at some of the graphic picture in the Moussoui trial evidence. There are pictures of body parts in the streets just after the first impact. (I walked around the parts in the street)

 

[triforcharity]

The color was 175 blue and green and 161 red. He might have a color blindness issue that is new, a constant orange bias, filtering his vision.

Instead of seeing dead people, this sixth sense is, "I see orange, I see ...

I think he has been watching that idiot's video "This is an orange" and keeps missing the word "an" that is in the sentence.

 

[Oystein]

Listen...many things would point to another suspect. Some other suspect. For example AQ could not have gotten explosives in the building at least not nearly enough to bring both down. Points to someone else. Most of it points to something AQ could not have done.

AQ is not accused of exploding the buildings.
They are accused of hijacking and crashing planes and murdering people.
The prosecution presents loads and loads of evidence for that.
None of that has anything to do with building collapses. The hijackers were long dead when any buildings collapsed.

So you need to explain how molten metal relieves AQ of the culpability for hijacking and crashing planes!



Also, if you believe someone else rigged the towers, you need to tell the jury why sightings of supposed molten metal are reasonably explained by that. In other words:
- You must present a reasonable theory
- You must prove your claims to be true
You have utterly failed on both points.
In addition, the jury wants to hear who your suspects are (names!) and what their motives were! And some evidence for that, too.
All this of course is not a quest for reasonable doubt of the prosecution's case, as your layed out in your OP, but rather an attempt to get a different prosecution.

In term of the puffs cole found a pretty explanation.

So did NIST: Many pretty explanations all over NCSTAR 1-5A. All of these have one advantage over Cole's: Their causes, such as doors, hot gases, floor slabs, ceiling tiles etc., are known to have been present in the building. Cole presents as explanation something that is NOT known to have been present, and has an extremely low initial probability of being present. Amid such odds, Cole better PROVE his explanation rests on reality. He hasn't done that. Therefore, the REASONABLE conclusion is to dismiss Cole, and assigne significant probability to the common explanations NIST suggests for these puffs.

 

[Oystein]

You just told me the material would fall off?

Where? Link and quote, please!

 

[Oystein]

...I mean people' bone fragments yards away on tops of buildings how does that happen? I mean it's hard to imagine the collapse doing that.

And you wonder why you come across like a fool.

(Hint: There was dust and stuff blown all over Manhattan as the gravitational collapses released energy to the tune of >100 tons of TNT. Think 100 tons of TNT could blow a few bone fragments a short distance? Not?)

 

[Oystein]

As I said if the security was in on it...anything is possible.

If not, then not.

 

[Oystein]

I've said a few hundred.

I'd love to see your tally! How did you come up with that number?

 

[Oystein]

I know...I would be the first to stand up and say I was involved in the murder of 3000 people, that has led to a decade of war. Killing who knows how many more. Can't imagine why no one would want to talk about that?

Besides there is Sibel Edmunds and Susan Lindauer, among some others.

Explain Sibel Edmund's role in the connspiracy. Is she one of the few hundreds you said earlier were all it took?

Explain Susan Lindauer's role in the conspiracy. Is she one of the few hundreds you said earlier were all it took?


If however neither were part of guilty group of a few hundred comspirators, they are not whistleblowers!

 

[Oystein]

Iran Contra

Did Iran Contra remain undiscovered? Or how long did it take till it was found out? According to my sources, it took only 1.5 years.

 

[Oystein]

You guys love to put words in people's mouths. I said it was possible remote controlled 767's were used. Modified tankers. Showed evidence of how it could be done, showed Boeing's weird statement on the matter (not implicating them) Now that turns into I've implicated everyone?

You either claim remote controlled 767s were used, in that case you implicate a huge number of people on that item alone.
Or you do not make that claim, in which case the honorable thing would be to totally retract that foolish story.

 

[Oystein]

From a plane crash most remains would be recognizable.

You know this how?

 

[Oystein]

What I mean is you usually don't have the case where the bone fragments are less then 1/16th inch as was the case on the top of that building.

You know this how?

 

[Oystein]

Not so...this may seem trivial, but it really isn't. Look at this article, it says body parts were found, they didn't disintegrate into fragments. Also this is all assuming the victims were from the plane...and I still would have no idea how they got that far away. No picture or report I am aware of shows victims, body parts, or fragments flying after the crash.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8153069.stm

Thanks for this great source. Quote from it:

A relief worker, standing next to a body bag of human flesh, told AFP news agency: "There is not a single piece which can be identified."

Mostafa Babashahverdi, a local farmer, told Reuters news agency: "We found severed heads, fingers and passports of the passengers."

Thank you for proving yourself wrong not only on the issue of recognizable body parts, but also on the issue of passports.

 

[Marokkaan]

We have to listen to bill clinton, truthers are idiots, how dare they!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU-nMsyXP0s&feature=related

He is a great speaker!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

 

[Marokkaan]

And we have also listen to bush, dont listen to those truthers with their conspiracies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOMKdILRM5I

And he also is a great man !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUXglJU2w6U&feature=related

 

[tmd2_1]

AQ is not accused of exploding the buildings.
They are accused of hijacking and crashing planes and murdering people.
The prosecution presents loads and loads of evidence for that.
None of that has anything to do with building collapses. The hijackers were long dead when any buildings collapsed.

So you need to explain how molten metal relieves AQ of the culpability for hijacking and crashing planes!



Also, if you believe someone else rigged the towers, you need to tell the jury why sightings of supposed molten metal are reasonably explained by that. In other words:
- You must present a reasonable theory
- You must prove your claims to be true
You have utterly failed on both points.
In addition, the jury wants to hear who your suspects are (names!) and what their motives were! And some evidence for that, too.
All this of course is not a quest for reasonable doubt of the prosecution's case, as your layed out in your OP, but rather an attempt to get a different prosecution.





So did NIST: Many pretty explanations all over NCSTAR 1-5A. All of these have one advantage over Cole's: Their causes, such as doors, hot gases, floor slabs, ceiling tiles etc., are known to have been present in the building. Cole presents as explanation something that is NOT known to have been present, and has an extremely low initial probability of being present. Amid such odds, Cole better PROVE his explanation rests on reality. He hasn't done that. Therefore, the REASONABLE conclusion is to dismiss Cole, and assigne significant probability to the common explanations NIST suggests for these puffs.

Where? Link and quote, please!

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And you wonder why you come across like a fool.

(Hint: There was dust and stuff blown all over Manhattan as the gravitational collapses released energy to the tune of >100 tons of TNT. Think 100 tons of TNT could blow a few bone fragments a short distance? Not?)

You don't think explosive devices could have had something to do with that as well?

If not, then not.

I'd love to see your tally! How did you come up with that number?

Explain Sibel Edmund's role in the connspiracy. Is she one of the few hundreds you said earlier were all it took?

Explain Susan Lindauer's role in the conspiracy. Is she one of the few hundreds you said earlier were all it took?


If however neither were part of guilty group of a few hundred comspirators, they are not whistleblowers!

They were not apart of the guilty group, but they have inside information non the less. As I said how many people are going to stand up and say I was apart of murdering 3000 people.

Did Iran Contra remain undiscovered? Or how long did it take till it was found out? According to my sources, it took only 1.5 years.

You either claim remote controlled 767s were used, in that case you implicate a huge number of people on that item alone.
Or you do not make that claim, in which case the honorable thing would be to totally retract that foolish story.

I don't retract anything, if I were a defense attorney at the trial, I would call numerous experts, that will show it's not a reflection. I will call Boeing experts and if they say we can't comment because of national security concerns, then the jury will have to take that as they will.

You know this how?

You know this how?

Thanks for this great source. Quote from it:


Thank you for proving yourself wrong not only on the issue of recognizable body parts, but also on the issue of passports.

I've told you molten steel could not have been caused by fires alone. If there was molten steel it points to someone else doing it.

In terms of the remains from plane crashes...I clarified in no instance did you have just 1/16th inch bone fragments left, as was the case on top of the building. The passports I mean whatever if they could survive or not is not important to my case. I never mentioned it in the initial post. I still say it is unlikely.

Besides this building was 400 feet to the south of the south tower (
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/bodies.html)

Flight 175 approach was from the Southwest (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight175.html) how would body parts have been blown in that direction?

 

[tjlance1]

9/11 was was not only a horrific day for this country, but the entire world. On that day we learned to what extent extremists will go to to further their cause. We learned how vulnerable each and everyone of us are. The videos and pictures showed destruction and death on a scale most of us never experienced.

For "truthers" or those who lean towards conspiracies at every turn of the corner, 9/11 was just too devastating to have such a simple answer. No amount of evidence, no amount of expert testimony, no amount of scientific proof will change the minds of those who wish to see and believe that something more insidious was behind those attacks.

Truthers / conspiracy theorists ignore the fact that seats from the planes were discovered several blocks away on top of rooftops with body parts still in them.

They also ignore the fact that if there was controlled explosion of the towers then the explosive charges would have made the noticible sounds they make when activated.

Also ignored, photographic evidence of the plane wreckage around the pentagon building, or the eyewitnesses that saw a plane hit the building.

The list goes on, but for every piece of solid evidence/proof, they spin another theory to simply ignore the truth in order to justify their fear of an evil government.

The psychology of a truther or conspiracy theorist is quite interesting when you think about it. For some reason, their brains cannot process simple answers to to what sems to be a complex series of events. It's as if their minds have gone into information overload and the more disasterous the event, the more they stray from the actual explaination..

 

[dafydd]

Why would the collapse force people out? No reason for it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771

http://www.cnn.com/US/valujet.592/timeline.html

Troll. Must be a troll. Nobody could be this stupid and survive daily life.

 

[dafydd]

Did Iran Contra remain undiscovered? Or how long did it take till it was found out? According to my sources, it took only 1.5 years.

Yes,tmd has not thought it through,yet again. This must be an elaborate troll.