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Why God is God Alone, and No One Else

You might think that, they don't. Again, you are forcing your idea of what "god" means on other people, and that is part of what causes the conflict you are trying to avoid in your OP.

A better idea, believe whatever you like, and don't worry about what other people believe, as long as they have the decency to keep it to themselves. That would seem to be more likely to avoid violence than forcing a single idea on everyone.
I don't expect to be able to understand that world view but it seems ok to me as far as not being a source for creating conflicts. Better left alone is kind of what I was trying to get at.
People are out there not keeping to themselves, and not in a way like they just want to share a thought, but trying to get people to accept their view of things, which is there should be universal subscription to a religion. This thing is out there and I want the anti whatever that thing is, which would be a universal subscription to believing whatever you want.
 
Reading through 10-year old issues of "Free Inquiry" and "Skeptical Inquirer".. in addition to seeing there's no new silliness today, this kind of religious reasoning.. chaotic and way off main-stream thinking, is frequently attributed to temporal lobe epilepsy.
 
Is it possible for people to agree there is one God?


Sure, if people would just transcend the exoteric layer of religion and grasp the esoteric meaning of your words. Easier said than done.

Can people give up partisanship enough to agree that God is
far away somewhere, in a place we can not go, and that God
does no come here and that we can not know His name?


No, that is an exoteric view. Heaven is no "place". Only the esoteric layer grants us the ability to transcend words, cultures, borders, etc. Most people, religious and non-religious alike are stuck in the exoteric layer.

Would the world be a better place if we could?


Yeah.

Check it out.

1. All mystics agree that Ultimate Reality—whether It is called Allah, Brahman, Buddha-nature, En-sof, God, or the Tao—cannot be grasped by thought or expressed in words. (In fact, the word mystic is related to the word mute, both of which derive from the Greek root mustes, meaning "close-mouthed.")

The Tao which can be named is not the true Tao. —Lao Tzu (Taoist)

The Spirit supreme is immeasurable, inapprehensible, beyond conception, never-born, beyond reasoning, beyond thought. —Upanishads (Hindu)

Words and sentences are produced by the law of causation and are mutually conditioning—they cannot express highest Reality. —The Lankavatara Sutra (Buddhist)

That One which is beyond all thought is inconceivable by all thought. —Dionysius the Areopagite (Christian)

The gnostics know, but what they know cannot be communicated. It is not in the power of the possessors of this most delightful station...to coin a word which would denote what they know. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

2. The reason Ultimate Reality cannot be grasped by thought or communicated in words is that thoughts and words, by definition, create distinctions and, hence, duality. Even the simple act of naming something creates duality because it distinguishes the thing that is named from all other things that are left unnamed. However, the mystics of all the great traditions agree that all distinctions are imaginary and that the Ultimate Nature of Reality is non-dual.

In essence things are not two but one. ...All duality is falsely imagined. —Lankavatara Sutra (Buddhist)

No matter what a deluded man may think he is perceiving, he is really seeing Brahman and nothing else but Brahman. ...This universe, which is superimposed upon Brahman, is nothing but a name. —Shankara (Hindu)

If we will see things truly, they are strangers to goodness, truth and everything that tolerates any distinction. They are intimates of the One that is bare of any kind of multiplicity and distinction. —Meister Eckhart (Christian)

That Oneness is on the other side of descriptions and states. Nothing but duality enters speech's playing-field. —Rumi (Muslim)

There all things are as one; Distinctions between "life" and "death," "land" and "sea," have lost their meaning. —anonymous Hasidic master (Jewish)

3. Although mystics cannot define Ultimate Reality in words, they still use words to point to That which is beyond words. For instance, all mystics agree that, while Ultimate Reality constitutes the true nature of everything, in itself It is nothing.

Neti neti (not this, not that)—Upanishads (Hindu)

Emptiness (shunyata)...is the ultimate nature of everything that exists. —Lama Yeshe (Buddhist)

The myriad creatures in the world are born from Something, and Something from Nothing. —Lao Tzu (Taoist)

It is within our intellects, souls and bodies, in heaven, on earth, and whilst remaining the same in Itself, It is at once in, around and above the world, super-celestial, super-essential, a sun, a star, fire, water, spirit, dew, cloud, stone, rock, all that is; yet It is nothing. —Dionysius the Areopagite (Christian)

He is not accompanied by thingness, nor do we ascribe it to Him. The negation of thingness from Him is one of His essential attributes. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

The hidden God, the innermost Being of Divinity so to speak has neither qualities nor attributes. —Gershom Scholem (Jewish)

4. Although mystics say Ultimate Reality is not a thing, they also agree that this emptiness or no-thingness is not a mere vacuum. It is radiant with the Light of Pure Spirit, Primordial Awareness, Buddha Mind, or Consciousness Itself.

He is the Eternal among things that pass away, pure Consciousness of conscious beings. —Upanishads (Hindu)


All the Buddhas and all sentient beings are nothing but the One Mind, besides which nothing exists. —Huang Po (Buddhist)

The light by which the soul is illumined, in order that it may see and truly understand everything...is God himself. —St. Augustine (Christian)

He is the spirit of the cosmos, its hearing, its sight, and its hand. Through Him the cosmos hears, through Him it sees, through Him it speaks, through Him it grasps, through Him it runs. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

Mind comes from this sublime and completely unified source above; it is divided only as it enters into the universe of distinctions. —Menahem Nahum (Jewish)

5. Mystics of all traditions also agree that when distinctions created by imagination are taken to be real—especially the distinction between 'subject' and 'object', 'I' and 'other', 'self' and 'world'—we lose sight of the Ultimate Nature of Reality and fall into delusion. This is the cause of all our suffering.

The fundamental dysfunction of our minds takes the form of a separation between I and other. We falsely grasp at an "I" on which attachment grafts itself at the same time as we conceive of an "other" that is the basis of aversion. —Bokar Rinpoche (Buddhist)


So long as the sense of "me" and "mine" remains, there is bound to be sorrow and want in the life of the individual. —Anandamayi Ma (Hindu)

Every man has plenty of cause for sorrow but he alone understands the deep universal reason for sorrow who experiences that he is. —Cloud of Unknowing (Christian)

As long as you are 'you', you will be miserable and impoverished. —Javad Nurbakhsh (Muslim)

How can any finite vessel hope to contain the endless God? Therefore, see yourself as nothing; only one who is nothing can contain the fullness of the Presence. —Menahem Nahum (Jewish)

6. The fact that distinctions are not ultimately real means that we are not truly separate selves. In Reality, all mystics declare, our True Nature is God, Brahman, Buddha-Nature, the Tao, or Consciousness Itself.

Our very self-nature is the Buddha, and apart from this nature there is no other Buddha. —Hui-Neng (Buddhist)

Having left aside Life and Death, he is now completely one with the universal Transmutation. —Kuo Hsiang (Taoist)

God is one's very own Self, the breath of one's breath, the life of one's life, the Atman. —Anandamayi Ma (Hindu)

Some simple people think that they will see God as if he were standing there and they here. It is not so. God and I, we are one. —Meister Eckhart (Christian)

Thou art He, without one of these limitations. Then if thou know thine own existence thus, then thou knowest God; and if not, then not. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

For now he is no longer separated from his Master, and behold he is his master and his Master is he. —Abraham Abulafia (Jewish)

7. Although the Truth of one's identity with Ultimate Reality cannot be grasped by thought, all mystics testify that It can be Realized or Recognized through a Gnostic Awakening (Enlightenment) which by-passes the thinking mind altogether.

The time will come when your mind will suddenly come to a stop like an old rat who finds himself in a cul-de-sac. Then there will be a plunging into the unknown with the cry, "Ah, this!"—Yun-man (Buddhist)

When the mirror of my mind became clear... I saw that God is not other than me, and this non-dual knowledge completely destroyed all thought of "you" and "I." I came to know that this entire world is not different from God. —Lalleshwari (Hindu)

Here, renouncing all that the mind may conceive, wrapped entirely in the intangible and the invisible, he belongs completely to him who is beyond everything. Here, being neither oneself nor someone else, one is supremely united by a completely unknowing inactivity of all knowledge, and knows beyond the mind by knowing nothing. —Dionysius the Areopagite (Christian)

He sees only God as being that which he sees, perceiving the seer to be the same as the seen. This is enough, and God is the giver of grace, the Guide. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

It is by descending into the depths of his own self that man wanders through all the dimensions of the world; in his own self he lifts the barriers which separate one sphere from the other; in his own self, finally, he transcends the limits of natural existence and at the end of his way, without, as it were, a single step beyond himself, he discovers that God is 'all in all' and there is 'nothing but Him'. —Gershom Scholem (Jewish)

8. All mystics agree that Realizing our Identity with this Ultimate Reality brings freedom from suffering and death.

When a man knows God, he is free: his sorrows have an end, and birth and death are no more. —Upanishads (Hindu)

What is suffering? What is death? In reality, they do not have any existence. They appear within the framework of the manifestations produced by the mind wrapped up in an illusion. ...In the emptiness of mind, there is no death. No one dies. There is no suffering and no fear. —Bokar Rinpoche (Buddhist)

When the false apprehension is negated...from the heart of the enlightened ones, then "death shall be swallowed up forever and God will erase tears from every face."—Abraham Abulafia (Jewish)

Suddenly, I realized..."it really is like this, in reality there is not a single thing!" With this single thought, all entanglements were broken. Suddenly, it was as if a load of a hundred pounds had fallen to the ground in an instant. It was as if a flash of lightning had penetrated the body and pierced the intelligence. —Kao P'an-lung (Confucian)

This man lives in one light with God, and therefore there is not in him either suffering or the passage of time, but an unchanging eternity. —Meister Eckhart (Christian)

I have been delivered from this ego and self-will—alive or dead, what an affliction! But alive or dead, I have no homeland other than God's Bounty. —Rumi (Muslim)

9. Finally, mystics of all traditions agree that their teachings about the Ultimate Nature of Reality should not be taken on faith alone. Just as scientific theories can be verified by anyone willing to perform appropriate experiments, mystical teachings can be verified by anyone willing to engage in appropriate spiritual practices and disciplines. (This, incidentally, is why we at the Center believe mystical teachings and practices are rightly said to constitute a science of the sacred.)


Those who practice know whether realization is attained or not, just as those who drink water know whether it is hot or cold. —Dogen (Buddhist)

The pure truth of Atman, which is buried under Maya and the effects of Maya, can be reached by meditation, contemplation and other spiritual disciplines such as a knower of Brahman may prescribe. —Shankara (Hindu)

If you don't wash out the stone and sand, how can you pick out the gold? Lower your head and bore into the hole of open non-reification, carefully seek the heart of heaven and earth with firm determination. Suddenly, you will see the original thing!—Liu I-ming (Taoist)

The patriarchs opened up the channels of the mind in the world, teaching all who were to come into the world how to dig within themselves a spring of living waters, to cleave to their fount, the root of their lives. —Menahem Nahum (Jewish)

The way of the sufis is the way of the exact gnosis of God, and of the knowledge of the diverse ways of self training necessary for the gnosis of God. —'Abd al-Wahab Sha'rani (Muslim)

If you follow my teachings, then you are truly my disciples and you shall come to a gnosis of the truth, and the truth shall make you free. —Jesus of Nazareth (Christian)

http://www.centerforsacredsciences.org/publications/the-mystical-core-of-the-great-traditions.htm
 
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Sure, if people would just transcend the exoteric layer of religion and grasp the esoteric meaning of your words. Easier said than done.




No, that is an exoteric view. Heaven is no "place". Only the esoteric layer grants us the ability to transcend words, cultures, borders, etc. Most people, religious and non-religious alike are stuck in the exoteric layer.




Yeah.

Check it out.

1. All mystics agree that Ultimate Reality—whether It is called Allah, Brahman, Buddha-nature, En-sof, God, or the Tao—cannot be grasped by thought or expressed in words. (In fact, the word mystic is related to the word mute, both of which derive from the Greek root mustes, meaning "close-mouthed.")

The Tao which can be named is not the true Tao. —Lao Tzu (Taoist)

The Spirit supreme is immeasurable, inapprehensible, beyond conception, never-born, beyond reasoning, beyond thought. —Upanishads (Hindu)

Words and sentences are produced by the law of causation and are mutually conditioning—they cannot express highest Reality. —The Lankavatara Sutra (Buddhist)

That One which is beyond all thought is inconceivable by all thought. —Dionysius the Areopagite (Christian)

The gnostics know, but what they know cannot be communicated. It is not in the power of the possessors of this most delightful station...to coin a word which would denote what they know. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

2. The reason Ultimate Reality cannot be grasped by thought or communicated in words is that thoughts and words, by definition, create distinctions and, hence, duality. Even the simple act of naming something creates duality because it distinguishes the thing that is named from all other things that are left unnamed. However, the mystics of all the great traditions agree that all distinctions are imaginary and that the Ultimate Nature of Reality is non-dual.

In essence things are not two but one. ...All duality is falsely imagined. —Lankavatara Sutra (Buddhist)

No matter what a deluded man may think he is perceiving, he is really seeing Brahman and nothing else but Brahman. ...This universe, which is superimposed upon Brahman, is nothing but a name. —Shankara (Hindu)

If we will see things truly, they are strangers to goodness, truth and everything that tolerates any distinction. They are intimates of the One that is bare of any kind of multiplicity and distinction. —Meister Eckhart (Christian)

That Oneness is on the other side of descriptions and states. Nothing but duality enters speech's playing-field. —Rumi (Muslim)

There all things are as one; Distinctions between "life" and "death," "land" and "sea," have lost their meaning. —anonymous Hasidic master (Jewish)

3. Although mystics cannot define Ultimate Reality in words, they still use words to point to That which is beyond words. For instance, all mystics agree that, while Ultimate Reality constitutes the true nature of everything, in itself It is nothing.

Neti neti (not this, not that)—Upanishads (Hindu)

Emptiness (shunyata)...is the ultimate nature of everything that exists. —Lama Yeshe (Buddhist)

The myriad creatures in the world are born from Something, and Something from Nothing. —Lao Tzu (Taoist)

It is within our intellects, souls and bodies, in heaven, on earth, and whilst remaining the same in Itself, It is at once in, around and above the world, super-celestial, super-essential, a sun, a star, fire, water, spirit, dew, cloud, stone, rock, all that is; yet It is nothing. —Dionysius the Areopagite (Christian)

He is not accompanied by thingness, nor do we ascribe it to Him. The negation of thingness from Him is one of His essential attributes. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

The hidden God, the innermost Being of Divinity so to speak has neither qualities nor attributes. —Gershom Scholem (Jewish)

4. Although mystics say Ultimate Reality is not a thing, they also agree that this emptiness or no-thingness is not a mere vacuum. It is radiant with the Light of Pure Spirit, Primordial Awareness, Buddha Mind, or Consciousness Itself.

He is the Eternal among things that pass away, pure Consciousness of conscious beings. —Upanishads (Hindu)


All the Buddhas and all sentient beings are nothing but the One Mind, besides which nothing exists. —Huang Po (Buddhist)

The light by which the soul is illumined, in order that it may see and truly understand everything...is God himself. —St. Augustine (Christian)

He is the spirit of the cosmos, its hearing, its sight, and its hand. Through Him the cosmos hears, through Him it sees, through Him it speaks, through Him it grasps, through Him it runs. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

Mind comes from this sublime and completely unified source above; it is divided only as it enters into the universe of distinctions. —Menahem Nahum (Jewish)

5. Mystics of all traditions also agree that when distinctions created by imagination are taken to be real—especially the distinction between 'subject' and 'object', 'I' and 'other', 'self' and 'world'—we lose sight of the Ultimate Nature of Reality and fall into delusion. This is the cause of all our suffering.

The fundamental dysfunction of our minds takes the form of a separation between I and other. We falsely grasp at an "I" on which attachment grafts itself at the same time as we conceive of an "other" that is the basis of aversion. —Bokar Rinpoche (Buddhist)


So long as the sense of "me" and "mine" remains, there is bound to be sorrow and want in the life of the individual. —Anandamayi Ma (Hindu)

Every man has plenty of cause for sorrow but he alone understands the deep universal reason for sorrow who experiences that he is. —Cloud of Unknowing (Christian)

As long as you are 'you', you will be miserable and impoverished. —Javad Nurbakhsh (Muslim)

How can any finite vessel hope to contain the endless God? Therefore, see yourself as nothing; only one who is nothing can contain the fullness of the Presence. —Menahem Nahum (Jewish)

6. The fact that distinctions are not ultimately real means that we are not truly separate selves. In Reality, all mystics declare, our True Nature is God, Brahman, Buddha-Nature, the Tao, or Consciousness Itself.

Our very self-nature is the Buddha, and apart from this nature there is no other Buddha. —Hui-Neng (Buddhist)

Having left aside Life and Death, he is now completely one with the universal Transmutation. —Kuo Hsiang (Taoist)

God is one's very own Self, the breath of one's breath, the life of one's life, the Atman. —Anandamayi Ma (Hindu)

Some simple people think that they will see God as if he were standing there and they here. It is not so. God and I, we are one. —Meister Eckhart (Christian)

Thou art He, without one of these limitations. Then if thou know thine own existence thus, then thou knowest God; and if not, then not. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

For now he is no longer separated from his Master, and behold he is his master and his Master is he. —Abraham Abulafia (Jewish)

7. Although the Truth of one's identity with Ultimate Reality cannot be grasped by thought, all mystics testify that It can be Realized or Recognized through a Gnostic Awakening (Enlightenment) which by-passes the thinking mind altogether.

The time will come when your mind will suddenly come to a stop like an old rat who finds himself in a cul-de-sac. Then there will be a plunging into the unknown with the cry, "Ah, this!"—Yun-man (Buddhist)

When the mirror of my mind became clear... I saw that God is not other than me, and this non-dual knowledge completely destroyed all thought of "you" and "I." I came to know that this entire world is not different from God. —Lalleshwari (Hindu)

Here, renouncing all that the mind may conceive, wrapped entirely in the intangible and the invisible, he belongs completely to him who is beyond everything. Here, being neither oneself nor someone else, one is supremely united by a completely unknowing inactivity of all knowledge, and knows beyond the mind by knowing nothing. —Dionysius the Areopagite (Christian)

He sees only God as being that which he sees, perceiving the seer to be the same as the seen. This is enough, and God is the giver of grace, the Guide. —Ibn 'Arabi (Muslim)

It is by descending into the depths of his own self that man wanders through all the dimensions of the world; in his own self he lifts the barriers which separate one sphere from the other; in his own self, finally, he transcends the limits of natural existence and at the end of his way, without, as it were, a single step beyond himself, he discovers that God is 'all in all' and there is 'nothing but Him'. —Gershom Scholem (Jewish)

8. All mystics agree that Realizing our Identity with this Ultimate Reality brings freedom from suffering and death.

When a man knows God, he is free: his sorrows have an end, and birth and death are no more. —Upanishads (Hindu)

What is suffering? What is death? In reality, they do not have any existence. They appear within the framework of the manifestations produced by the mind wrapped up in an illusion. ...In the emptiness of mind, there is no death. No one dies. There is no suffering and no fear. —Bokar Rinpoche (Buddhist)

When the false apprehension is negated...from the heart of the enlightened ones, then "death shall be swallowed up forever and God will erase tears from every face."—Abraham Abulafia (Jewish)

Suddenly, I realized..."it really is like this, in reality there is not a single thing!" With this single thought, all entanglements were broken. Suddenly, it was as if a load of a hundred pounds had fallen to the ground in an instant. It was as if a flash of lightning had penetrated the body and pierced the intelligence. —Kao P'an-lung (Confucian)

This man lives in one light with God, and therefore there is not in him either suffering or the passage of time, but an unchanging eternity. —Meister Eckhart (Christian)

I have been delivered from this ego and self-will—alive or dead, what an affliction! But alive or dead, I have no homeland other than God's Bounty. —Rumi (Muslim)

9. Finally, mystics of all traditions agree that their teachings about the Ultimate Nature of Reality should not be taken on faith alone. Just as scientific theories can be verified by anyone willing to perform appropriate experiments, mystical teachings can be verified by anyone willing to engage in appropriate spiritual practices and disciplines. (This, incidentally, is why we at the Center believe mystical teachings and practices are rightly said to constitute a science of the sacred.)


Those who practice know whether realization is attained or not, just as those who drink water know whether it is hot or cold. —Dogen (Buddhist)

The pure truth of Atman, which is buried under Maya and the effects of Maya, can be reached by meditation, contemplation and other spiritual disciplines such as a knower of Brahman may prescribe. —Shankara (Hindu)

If you don't wash out the stone and sand, how can you pick out the gold? Lower your head and bore into the hole of open non-reification, carefully seek the heart of heaven and earth with firm determination. Suddenly, you will see the original thing!—Liu I-ming (Taoist)

The patriarchs opened up the channels of the mind in the world, teaching all who were to come into the world how to dig within themselves a spring of living waters, to cleave to their fount, the root of their lives. —Menahem Nahum (Jewish)

The way of the sufis is the way of the exact gnosis of God, and of the knowledge of the diverse ways of self training necessary for the gnosis of God. —'Abd al-Wahab Sha'rani (Muslim)

If you follow my teachings, then you are truly my disciples and you shall come to a gnosis of the truth, and the truth shall make you free. —Jesus of Nazareth (Christian)

http://www.centerforsacredsciences.org/publications/the-mystical-core-of-the-great-traditions.htm

Any more fairy stories? That one is very boring.
 
Reading through 10-year old issues of "Free Inquiry" and "Skeptical Inquirer".. in addition to seeing there's no new silliness today, this kind of religious reasoning.. chaotic and way off main-stream thinking, is frequently attributed to temporal lobe epilepsy.
I don't know what you mean by new. Like different from one day to the next?
This is something that has been going on for over a hundred years, to subject the earth to a worldwide religion. I think for current evidence you could look at this huge statue being built in India, not by the people of India but by foreigners wanting to use it as a focal point for this new religion.
 
I don't know what you mean by new. Like different from one day to the next?
This is something that has been going on for over a hundred years, to subject the earth to a worldwide religion. I think for current evidence you could look at this huge statue being built in India, not by the people of India but by foreigners wanting to use it as a focal point for this new religion.
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"new" as in mental aberrations that appeal to the disorganized.
The history of such goes back 1000s of years.
 
Right, add that.
God is far away or nowhere.

Hey Ethnikos..... go see Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes the new movie..... it should make you think..... despite the premise being a SciFi one..... there is a warning there to be gleaned.....

Oh....it is not that some things should not be messed with and that we should not play gods....that is an old hackneyed and trite message ever since Frankenstein’s Monster.

The warning I am referring to is not so easy to understand.....unless one uses one’s brains and has a decent morality......I am sure YOU will get it.

Really nice movie.....go see it and see if you can relate to it this reply post of mine to your thread.
 
I think you are right.
As religious as I may seem, I admit I do not know God, how could I?
I rationalize a god to explain things I would not be able to explain otherwise.What I proposed was normal, meaning do not receive financial benefit from religion, people tell each other the truth. We can believe in a God but don't know the first thing about this God.


Well that's easier than getting an education I guess.
 
I am. I spend a lot of time every day fighting fundamentalists, on religion forums.

ETA: I do it by showing they are wrong, from the Bible.

Why are you trying to force them to believe your way?
 
Well that's easier than getting an education I guess.
The important thing is i am willing to admit it and I think it would be good if all believers in God admitted it just to show that someone who has a definite explanation for everything about God is making it up to have a religion where people can give him offerings.
 
Why are you trying to force them to believe your way?
No, to stop them pushing their B* onto others for whatever reason, which I don't think is good. If I felt they were being humanitarian I would leave them alone. They do what they do to promulgate a religion that has God acting in the world by having the faithful drop bombs on supposedly bad people.
 
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No, to stop them pushing their B* onto others for whatever reason, which I don't think is good. If I felt they were being humanitarian I would leave them alone. They do what they do to promulgate a religion that has God acting in the world by having the faithful drop bombs on supposedly bad people.
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In case you've missed it, the history of religions is precisely that!
The "faithful" drop bombs, exterminate, torture, destroy the other faiths, because there is no evidence of any god actually doing anything in/on/to this existence, and these demented goons are reluctant to wait for the divine retribution in the hereafter, so they take it upon themselves to ensure something bad happens to those that have the gall to not believe in the same imaginary sky daddy as they do.
Were these loonies able to wait for ISD to do his thing at the Pearly Gates, millions of people would not have been slaughtered for myths and legends.
 
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In case you've missed it, the history of religions is precisely that!
The "faithful" drop bombs, exterminate, torture, destroy the other faiths, because there is no evidence of any god actually doing anything in/on/to this existence, and these demented goons are reluctant to wait for the divine retribution in the hereafter, so they take it upon themselves to ensure something bad happens to those that have the gall to not believe in the same imaginary sky daddy as they do.
Were these loonies able to wait for ISD to do his thing at the Pearly Gates, millions of people would not have been slaughtered for myths and legends.


Actually.... only the Abrahamic religions have this feature.... most other civilizations conquered and killed just for rapine....despite calling upon their gods for help, they did NOT do it in the name of their god or under orders from their gods.

When pagan societies did rapine they did not make excuses or pretend that they were doing it in to be righteous.... just more powerful and greedy….they knew it and did not care (e.g. Romans... they even adopted the gods of the people they conquered and allowed their continued worship as long as they worship the emperor too).

Only the Judeo-Christian-Moslim religion has invented this new feature of HOLY RAPINE…. They killed people while convinced that they are GOOD…… Holy Self-righteousness and Cognitive Dissonance.
 
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Actually.... only the Abrahamic religions have this feature.... most other civilizations conquered and killed just for rapine....despite calling upon their gods for help, they did NOT do it in the name of their god or under orders from their gods.
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actually they did, this was why they invented astrology, to be able to divine Gods will, they planned buildings, crop planting and the commencement of wars on it.
Before then the kings often claimed to be the embodiment of the God, so they were following his orders directly

this goes back as far as 3500bce, which is the earliest attested warfare in the archaeological record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamoukar#Archaeology
this was back when the worlds entire population was about half that of the current number living in the New York City Metropolitan Area

before that there was just a bit of shoving and raised voices
:D
 
actually they did, this was why they invented astrology, to be able to divine Gods will, they planned buildings, crop planting and the commencement of wars on it.
Before then the kings often claimed to be the embodiment of the God, so they were following his orders directly

this goes back as far as 3500bce, which is the earliest attested warfare in the archaeological record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamoukar#Archaeology
this was back when the worlds entire population was about half that of the current number living in the New York City Metropolitan Area

before that there was just a bit of shoving and raised voices
:D

Cain killed Abel.
 
Cain killed Abel.


Yes....and it was BECAUSE of god.... had he not been a carnivore and if he only liked some vegetables with the sweet savory smell of burning flesh... he would have accepted both offerings from both guys and Cain wouldn't have been as jealous and thus may have not killed Able.

But then there is the Mishnah’s explanation that Abel's betrothed was better looking than Cain's.

Oh well....if it is not for god...it is for women....

Adam was the first cowardly PUSSY-WHIPPED man...... look at what the coward did when god interrogated him and Eve.

"It was her who made me do it"

How cowardly..... had he not been such a coward maybe he would have heeded god's warning instead of obeying Eve for fear of not getting any nooky that night.
 
Actually.... only the Abrahamic religions have this feature.... most other civilizations conquered and killed just for rapine....despite calling upon their gods for help, they did NOT do it in the name of their god or under orders from their gods.

When pagan societies did rapine they did not make excuses or pretend that they were doing it in to be righteous.... just more powerful and greedy….they knew it and did not care (e.g. Romans... they even adopted the gods of the people they conquered and allowed their continued worship as long as they worship the emperor too).

Only the Judeo-Christian-Moslim religion has invented this new feature of HOLY RAPINE…. They killed people while convinced that they are GOOD…… Holy Self-righteousness and Cognitive Dissonance.
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The basic polytheism of the older nations would accept the religions of the conquered, probably recognizing the similarities in the gods.
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The Battle Hymn of the Republic says....
" And conquer we must
for our cause it is just.
And this be our motto:
"In God is our trust"...
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I'd add "all others cash".
 
Yes....and it was BECAUSE of god.... had he not been a carnivore and if he only liked some vegetables with the sweet savory smell of burning flesh... he would have accepted both offerings from both guys and Cain wouldn't have been as jealous and thus may have not killed Able.

But then there is the Mishnah’s explanation that Abel's betrothed was better looking than Cain's.

Oh well....if it is not for god...it is for women....

Adam was the first cowardly PUSSY-WHIPPED man...... look at what the coward did when god interrogated him and Eve.

"It was her who made me do it"

How cowardly..... had he not been such a coward maybe he would have heeded god's warning instead of obeying Eve for fear of not getting any nooky that night.

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Hilite... been there. :)
 

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