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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

000063 said:
There was a plane that hit the buildings at an approximate speed of "very fast".

Say, were any of these bodies found 400 feet away from WTC 7? No? They weren't? They were from the buildings hit by freaking planes?
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It's not worth it,he is being willfully ignorant,brain set on automatic gainsay.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Some victims were in the planes traveling at high speeds sending debris and fragments at a distance. Otherwise you have two buildings at 1300 feet in height that sent debris tumbling far enough to land on adjacent buildings 2 to 300 ft away. Both factors even without explosives make that fact rather unsurprising.
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From a plane crash most remains would be recognizable.
 
tmd2_1 said:
From a plane crash most remains would be recognizable.
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You're an air crash investigator too? How many accidents have you attended? Is there no end to your talents? Metallurgist,engineer,explosives expert,demolition expert,aviator.........
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Not the case in such examples as PSA flight 1771, Valuejet 592, or the 2009 crash of an Iranian passenger jet, all three of which resulted in the same thing. There's good reason why I don't find any of those things surprising with the 9/11 attacks.
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What I mean is you usually don't have the case where the bone fragments are less then 1/16th inch as was the case on the top of that building.
 
tmd2_1 said:
From a plane crash most remains would be recognizable.
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That's why they used DNA analysis... I guess now we have to add the NY Medical Examiner's office to your ever-growing list of conspirators?

In related news, the Medical Examiner's office recently identified two more remains from the site using advanced DNA analysis. Remains have been returned to the families of Karen Martin, a flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 11, which struck the North Tower, and Paul Stone, a passenger on the flight. Remains from a third victim were identified, but the name withheld at their family's request.
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http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/content.php?idtocitems=1,7,22

eta: holy crap, I first read tmd2-1's post as "unrecognizeable"... but now I see he thinks a 450 mph crash should result in most bodies being recognizeable? :boggled:
 
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tmd2_1 said:
What I mean is you usually don't have the case where the bone fragments are less then 1/16th inch as was the case on the top of that building.
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And again, I should be surprised by this why? The crashes I cited all resulted in some of the same destruction. This happens when you combine extrremely high speeds with a crash
 
tmd2_1 said:
No I was talking about the lighting mechanism. If there were explosions everybody and everything would have been blown to bits. Which is what we saw. I mean people' bone fragments yards away on tops of buildings how does that happen? I mean it's hard to imagine the collapse doing that.
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You expect a human body to be able to remain intoact when a column that weighs (some of them) upwards of 700lbs/ft?

Wow. You're not well educated on anatomy either, are you?
 
Grizzly Bear said:
And again, I should be surprised by this why? The crashes I cited all resulted in some of the same destruction. This happens when you combine extrremely high speeds with a crash
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Not so...this may seem trivial, but it really isn't. Look at this article, it says body parts were found, they didn't disintegrate into fragments. Also this is all assuming the victims were from the plane...and I still would have no idea how they got that far away. No picture or report I am aware of shows victims, body parts, or fragments flying after the crash.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8153069.stm
 
tmd2_1 said:
What I mean is you usually don't have the case where the bone fragments are less then 1/16th inch as was the case on the top of that building.
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What part of this don't you understand?

Grizzly Bear said:
Some victims were in the planes traveling at high speeds sending debris and fragments at a distance. Otherwise you have two buildings at 1300 feet in height that sent debris tumbling far enough to land on adjacent buildings 2 to 300 ft away. Both factors even without explosives make that fact rather unsurprising.
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tmd2_1 said:
What I mean is you usually don't have the case where the bone fragments are less then 1/16th inch as was the case on the top of that building.
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How many other planes have been parked into large skyscrapers at ~733 feet per second?

I'll give you a hint. Before 9/11, I know of exactly zero.
 
Ohly ****, truthers irritate me to no end. This guy thinks he knows the first damn thing about what he is talking about. This guy couldn't find a fact if it jumped up and kicked him in his balls.

Holy ****, the stupidity of some peoples' arguments........
 
tmd2_1 said:
i clarified what i meant in subsequent posts
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Awesome. You're still confused how a plane crash traveling at ~733 fps, could take a human bone, and crush it into a small piece?

Do you need to know the kinetic energy calculation to help explain it?

I'll give you a hint.

It's in the millions of joules.
 
tmd2_1 said:
No picture or report I am aware of shows victims, body parts, or fragments flying after the crash.
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Take a close look at the ground.

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WildCat said:
Ooooh, tell us more! How many people will this add to your "small" conspiracy? :rolleyes:
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Not to mention he just said people wouldn't be willing to speak up, so he can have it both ways. But as anyone who is firing on all cylinders would recognize, you don't have to be culpable to have knowledge. And then parading around people who are either proven liars or would have no reason to have access to the information they claim. I am surprised Wil-Rod wasn't in there.
 
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tmd2_1 said:
Not so...this may seem trivial, but it really isn't. Look at this article, it says body parts were foundQUOTE]
You're not getting it; high speed crashes involve far greater energy and trauma than slower velocity crashes.
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