Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read


NCSTAR 1-5A talks a lot about a lot of puffs. The quote you mined is about only 2 specific puffs out of a large number that they discuss. The reason for those two puffs happens to be unknown.



Do you expect NIST to be omniscient?


How does this undermine the prosecution's case against AQ?

I have noticed that you have completely given up on your defense of AQ, because I have asked you many times now to explain how things we discuss here relate to the topic of this thread, chosen and defined by yourself, and you completely ignore that.

Can we assume that the defense has given up and dropped the case?
 
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

11th question...make sure to read all of it.

I did. Apparently, you didn't: "the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface. "
 
The shot was grabbed from a version of the Luigi Cazzaniga NIST release. That version contained an added sound effect and truther who apparently made it thought he could fool us into believing the event was genuine. It was thoroughly trounced and the truther took it down. It's discussed here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188116

In fairness, the YouTube you link to does have an excerpt of the Cazzaniga video, about three seconds of it. I wonder why. :rolleyes:

Full clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF2YPGb-LYc

Grabbed from the Cazzaniga NIST release:

[qimg]http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff387/AJM8125/Cazzaniga46A.png[/qimg]

Ooooh. Shiny.

I don't know what to tell you. It sure looks orange to me. Here is the full NIST FAQ don't you think they would have mentioned if it were silver?

11. Why do some photographs show a yellow stream of molten metal pouring down the side of WTC2 that NIST claims was aluminum from the crashed plane although aluminum burns with a white glow?

NIST reported (NCSTAR 1-5A) that just before 9:52 a.m., a bright spot appeared at the top of a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2, four windows removed from the east edge on the north face, followed by the flow of a glowing liquid. This flow lasted approximately four seconds before subsiding. Many such liquid flows were observed from near this location in the seven minutes leading up to the collapse of this tower. There is no evidence of similar molten liquid pouring out from another location in WTC 2 or from anywhere within WTC 1.

Photographs, and NIST simulations of the aircraft impact, show large piles of debris in the 80th and 81st floors of WTC 2 near the site where the glowing liquid eventually appeared. Much of this debris came from the aircraft itself and from the office furnishings that the aircraft pushed forward as it tunneled to this far end of the building. Large fires developed on these piles shortly after the aircraft impact and continued to burn in the area until the tower collapsed.

NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.
 
NCSTAR 1-5A talks a lot about a lot of puffs. The quote you mined is about only 2 specific puffs out of a large number that they discuss. The reason for those two puffs happens to be unknown.



Do you expect NIST to be omniscient?


How does this undermine the prosecution's case against AQ?

I have noticed that you have completely given up on your defense of AQ, because I have asked you many times now to explain how things we discuss here relate to the topic of this thread, chosen and defined by yourself, and you completely ignore that.

Can we assume that the defense has given up and dropped the case?

Listen...many things would point to another suspect. Some other suspect. For example AQ could not have gotten explosives in the building at least not nearly enough to bring both down. Points to someone else. Most of it points to something AQ could not have done.

In term of the puffs cole found a pretty explanation.
 
I did. Apparently, you didn't: "the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface. "

You just told me the material would fall off?
 
I don't know what to tell you. It sure looks orange to me. Here is the full NIST FAQ don't you think they would have mentioned if it were silver?

Need I remind you, once more, you said:

There was more then enough time, for that to turn to silver during the fall, from the South tower, yet it didn't.

How many more times do you need to be beaten in the head with that?
 
Need I remind you, once more, you said:



How many more times do you need to be beaten in the head with that?

I don't have the slightest idea what you're trying to get at anymore. It looks orange all the way down. NIST never says anything about it turning silver, you would expect that it would.
 
I don't have the slightest idea what you're trying to get at anymore.

OK, I'll explain it to you then. You said it remains orange all the way down. I've shown you to be wrong. Now you're trying to distance yourself from that statement by citing the NIST FAQ, which is actually funny.
 
OK, I'll explain it to you then. You said it remains orange all the way down. I've shown you to be wrong. Now you're trying to distance yourself from that statement by citing the NIST FAQ, which is actually funny.

No I'm not it's clearly orange all the way down...if you can't see that...I don't know what to tell you.
 
You can start by saying "I'm wrong, AJM."

You can't be serious, there is no doubt that is orange. It is orange all the way down, anybody that is not color blind and looks at that video can see it is orange. There's no way NIST would not have mentioned it was silver at some point. Please give this up.
 

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