The Usurping God Of Hindsight

[Leumas]

Usurpation Of Science By The God Of Hindsight

Most of us are familiar with the expression “God Of The Gaps”. This is when theists attempt to use god as an explanation for any gaps in our scientific knowledge.

But I have been recently thinking about and postulating a new term….The God Of Hindsight.

This is when theists USURP and hijack scientific knowledge to bolster their deity and try to show that this knowledge was in fact in their scriptures all along.

I am sure you know of many examples…. Big Bang was mentioned in Genesis…. Fine Tuning…. Derivations of the Speed of Light from some asinine contortion and warping of verses in the scriptures… the Laminin molecule looking like a cross…. the list is long.

It is amazing to me the shamelessness and audacity of these people…. For millennia they kill and muzzle science and scientists and then when the genie is out of the bottle they now want to command it to serve them. For years they killed people for saying that the earth is not flat and now they shamelessly claim that on balance the scriptures PROVE that the earth is a globe.

They use the knowledge that we would never have acquired had they had their way, and which they tried to block in the name of their gods, to turn the whole thing on its head and assert that this knowledge proves their myth in any case. What infuriating insolence and impudence!!

Now that science can work things out DESPITE the centuries of thwarting and impeding by the religious institutions (not to mention extirpations) they claim that the knowledge we are discerning is a revelation from their god after all. HOW DARE THEY!

What vile affront to the memory of all the scientists who were burnt on the stake and all the scientists who were nipped in the bud. I can almost hear their screeches of agony crying out for us to SCREAM as loud as we can against this

USURPATION by the God Of Hindsight​

 

[Mudcat]

Amen, my Brother (or Sister)!

 

[Craig B]

Leumas

Some traditionalists never make the change from suppression to usurpation. Ratzinger still takes a very negative view of science, reminiscent of St Augustine's. Don't usurp - condemn. Here he is, writing in 1990. No rueful "vicisti Galilei" for him!

http://ncronline.org/node/11541

If both the spheres of conscience are once again clearly distinguished among themselves under their respective methodological profiles, recognizing both their limits and their respective rights, then the synthetic judgment of the agnostic-skeptic philosopher P. Feyerabend appears much more drastic. He writes: “The church at the time of Galileo was much more faithful to reason than Galileo himself, and also took into consideration the ethical and social consequences of Galileo’s doctrine. Its verdict against Gaileo was rational and just, and revisionism can be legitimized solely for motives of political opportunism.”
From the point of view of the concrete consequences of the turning point Galileo represents, however, C.F. Von Weizsacker takes another step forward, when he identifies a “very direct path” that leads from Galileo to the atomic bomb.
To my great surprise, in a recent interview on the Galileo case, I was not asked a question like, ‘Why did the Church try to get in the way of the development of modern science?’, but rather exactly the opposite, that is: ‘Why didn’t the church take a more clear position against the disasters that would inevitably follow, once Galileo had opened Pandora’s box?’

For the seemingly-insane "agnostic-skeptic philosopher P. Feyerabend", see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Feyerabend

For example, he thought that negative opinions about astrology and the effectivity of rain dances were not justified by scientific research, and dismissed the predominantly negative attitudes of scientists towards such phenomena as elitist or racist

 

[Leumas]

Leumas

Some traditionalists never make the change from suppression to usurpation. Ratzinger still takes a very negative view of science, reminiscent of St Augustine's. Don't usurp - condemn. Here he is, writing in 1990. No rueful "vicisti Galilei" for him!

http://ncronline.org/node/11541


For the seemingly-insane "agnostic-skeptic philosopher P. Feyerabend", see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Feyerabend

Between the God Of The Gaps, God Of Hindsight and normal traditional no questions-needed-or-should-be-asked God....they have all angles covered.


I could not ever understand a word of Feyerabend stuff....you say seemingly-insane..... I am inclined towards removing the word seemingly.... but that is in my HUMBLE opinion.

 

[dynasty]

i cant speak for all theists, but i have never had any issue with science. It is a shame what has happened in the name of god.

 

[MattusMaximus]

The way to deal with this, in a humorous manner, is to get theists to try justifying to theists of other faiths the validity of their holy texts at the expense of the others. Meanwhile, science will march ahead while those others chase each others' tails

 

[Bram Kaandorp]

The way to deal with this, in a humorous manner, is to get theists to try justifying to theists of other faiths the validity of their holy texts at the expense of the others. Meanwhile, science will march ahead while those others chase each others' tails

Wasn't that what the crusades were for?

Brutality aside, If ever such a "debate" is caught on film, I'd love to see it.

 

[Weak Kitten]

i cant speak for all theists, but i have never had any issue with science. It is a shame what has happened in the name of god.

Thank you Dynasty. If you stick around for any length of time please keep in mind that people here are ranting against the crazy, dangerous, extremist kinds of theists. Try not to take it too personally if you get caught in the crossfire.

 

[RossFW]

i cant speak for all theists, but i have never had any issue with science. It is a shame what has happened in the name of god.

If you have no issue with Science, can you explain why it contradicts every religious text ever presented as being of divine origin?

 

[dynasty]

Thank you Dynasty. If you stick around for any length of time please keep in mind that people here are ranting against the crazy, dangerous, extremist kinds of theists. Try not to take it too personally if you get caught in the crossfire.

I understand that, I don't take it personally. If i took it personally I wouldn't be here

If you have no issue with Science, can you explain why it contradicts every religious text ever presented as being of divine origin?

I do not buy into religious texts being divine words of God.

 

[Craig B]

Weak Kitten

Thank you Dynasty. If you stick around for any length of time please keep in mind that people here are ranting against the crazy, dangerous, extremist kinds of theists.

I am ranting at the pope. See post #3 above. Rejection, as well as usurpation, of science can cause no end of problems, as with the prohibition of artificial birth control - not "natural". Inoculation and vaccination were also only reluctantly and belatedly accepted by many, even mainstream, religious teachers during the 19th century.

Alas, the problems are not confined to an extremist fringe.

Not only religions have these problems, of course. Soviet communism found acceptance of many modern scientific ideas very difficult, and fell so hopelessly behind the West in important areas that its ideology became discredited and it collapsed.

 

[Weak Kitten]

While the crazy part may be negotiable when talking about the Pope I think by his very nature he could be considered extremist; and his tremendous amount of power certainly makes him dangerous. I support being concerned and even angry over his attempt to rewrite history.

 

[Leumas]

A Muslim Example Of God Of Hindsight

Here is a very good Video refutation of the Usurping God Of Hindsight.

In the Quran there is a Sura called Hadid (Iron) which is numbered as Sura number 57.

Muslim Usurpers of Science in the name of their God Of Hindsight want to make a claim for an amazing miracle that Muhammad could have numbered the Sura as 57 and called it Iron when the atomic mass of one isotope of Iron is 57.

Of course that is ignoring the fact that Muhammad never called the Sura Iron, nor did he number it 57 nor that there was even the structure of Suras in the Quran until way after Muhammad. Also ignoring that the atomic mass of the most abundant isotope of Fe is actually 56.

However, the Video has an AMAZING SURPRISE that you are going to LOVE...in fact TWO surprises.

I loved it.

 

[Craig B]

Then Sura 56 should be even more scientifically correct than 57. Judge for yourself at http://looklex.com/textarchive/koran/056.htm . Personally I like the no hangover wine. If that's scientific, I want the formula!

The bright and large eyed maids would be quite good too.

 

[Leumas]

Then Sura 56 should be even more scientifically correct than 57. Judge for yourself at http://looklex.com/textarchive/koran/056.htm . Personally I like the no hangover wine. If that's scientific, I want the formula!

The bright and large eyed maids would be quite good too.

Hey Craig,

I read it ....could not see your point? What are you referring to?


I agree about the wine and girls part....it should be a nice party up there? A lot better heaven than the Jewish one which is never described or the Christian one which is nothing but an Eternal Heavenly Servitude according to Revelation.

But the Jewish hell must be the least frightening since it too is not described much but the Christian and Moslim hells are quite the same horrifying torturous affair.

Notice how the Moslim in heaven have their choice of girls and boys for their pleasure and all the drinks they can have....man this Muhammad must have been quite an Evangelist.

Sura 56

(13. A multitude of those will be from the first ones.) (14. And a few of those will be from the later ones.) (15. (They will be) on thrones, Mawdunah.) (16. Reclining thereon, face to face.) (17. Immortal boys will go around them (serving),) (18. With cups, and jugs, and a glass of flowing wine,) (19. Wherefrom neither Yusadda`un nor Yunzifun.)​

In the link you give they translate it as “youths”….but the above is a more correct translation.

17 Around them shall go eternal youths, 18 with goblets and ewers and a cup of flowing wine; 19 no headache shall they feel therefrom, nor shall their wits be dimmed!​

 

[Craig B]

I was trying to illustrate the remoteness of the Koran from scientific fact, and since a reference to iron should point to Sura 56, using that passage to do so.

But I don't find it easy to accept "yusadda'un or yunzifun" as "more correct" translation into English of anything whatsoever, so I'm going to stick with the no hangover rendition of the passage!

 

[Craig B]

Here's another strange passage:

18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water

which doesn't even seem to fit with a round earth.

 

[Leumas]

But I don't find it easy to accept "yusadda'un or yunzifun" as "more correct" translation into English of anything whatsoever, so I'm going to stick with the no hangover rendition of the passage!

I was talking about the "boys" part.... I agree with the "no hangover" part

 

[Zelenius]

What vile affront to the memory of all the scientists who were burnt on the stake and all the scientists who were nipped in the bud. I can almost hear their screeches of agony crying out for us to SCREAM as loud as we can against this

USURPATION by the God Of Hindsight​

Well said! I agree totally!

You know, if they are going to lie about how "scientific" the Bible or Qu'ran is, they might as well claim their God authored the Principia Mathematica, The Origin of Species, the Special and General Relativity Theories and Quantum Theory.

Indeed, if the central argument for God's existence was that God himself authored these profound scientific truths, maybe I would even believe in him!

 

[MG1962]

Thank you Dynasty. If you stick around for any length of time please keep in mind that people here are ranting against the crazy, dangerous, extremist kinds of theists. Try not to take it too personally if you get caught in the crossfire.

In Leumas' case that's every theist