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seewithyourowneyes said:
I'm sure 9/11 was a false flag operation done to convince the western people that the Muslims are a Big thread to their society , wich is a lie.
At the same time we all lose our freedom because of terrorist attacks.... the law has been adjusted , they can come to your house now and take you away...
It gave the Amerikan gouverment premission to go and kill 1 million Iraqi's
Go without a problem to Afganistan , Egypt , Libia , Tunesia
Can You See Now How The MEDIA Is Used As A WEAPON !

Im sure The Zionist movement of Israel is behind all this , they are the illuminati and they work together with the Royal families and the Vatican...
This is so sad to know how evil our today controllers are.
They just don't care because they do not understand the beauty of life and the collective consciousness of the people and they liturally indoctrinated us for so most people also don't understand what this life is about.
They have the power and they won't give it away to better people and leaders.
We the people have to realize first whats going on before we can take action...
And then to know that so much people don't want to know or just ignore the facts..
our children and future are really REALLY in danger
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Fear is the mind killer.

They are all about short term profits, short horizons.

Every generation fights the conspiracy of the powerful.

This has happened before, and I really not sure if it is worse this time.

Some awareness of the corruption is spreading through society. The Tea Party overplayed its hand in support of the Rich.

Obama needs to get his act together, or the Democrats had better get someone who can successfully fight the corruption. So far Obama seems to have ambivalent intentions and poor success against the corruption-conspiracy.

Before it all hits the fan, see if we can get RPG's protected under the second amendment.

How hard is it to set up a production line for RPG's
 
DeathDart said:
Fear is the mind killer.

They are all about short term profits, short horizons.

Every generation fights the conspiracy of the powerful.

This has happened before, and I really not sure if it is worse this time.

Some awareness of the corruption is spreading through society. The Tea Party overplayed its hand in support of the Rich.

Obama needs to get his act together, or the Democrats had better get someone who can successfully fight the corruption. So far Obama seems to have ambivalent intentions and poor success against the corruption-conspiracy.

Before it all hits the fan, see if we can get RPG's protected under the second amendment.

How hard is it to set up a production line for RPG's
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Use the force. i know what the Jedi Knights are giving you for Xmas. I have felt your presents.
 
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Wackenhut and Pinkerton Thugs cannot deal with RPG's.

Only main battle tanks and a few lighter vehicles can resist RPG's.

The corrupting segments of our society have shown long term planning getting to this point. We need to start our own long term planning in case the rule of law, which is staggering around like a drunk right now, were to fail.

When the legal system is no longer attempting to keep up the appearances of social justice, that is the time to act.

Vote while you still can, it is much easier to vote, than to start killing people.
 
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Wackenhut and Pinkerton Thugs cannot deal with RPG's.

Only main battle tanks and a few lighter vehicles can resist RPG's.

The corrupting segments of our society have shown long term planning getting to this point. We need to start our own long term planning in case the rule of law, which is staggering around like a drunk right now, were to fail.

When the legal system is no longer attempting to keep up the appearances of social justice, that is the time to act.

Vote while you still can, it is much easier to vote, than to start killing people.
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Tough talk. Good thing you guys are all talk and no action.
 
Give us a shout when you start the revolution.

That will be an interesting challenge. How to defeat the NSA's internal monitoring, and yes, I know they are not supposed to be doing that.

I wonder if it can be co-opted to transmit? V had so many creative Ideas.
 
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The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY Newsday]
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In other words, the building was returning to the normal security level.

On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/table.html
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The nearest comparable building demo by size, (and the largest CD ever was less than 30 stories) took weeks to setup. Not a single day. Weeks. Even assuming no power=no security--and even most cheap house alarms have batteries, not to mention good ol' mechanical locks--there was simply not enough time to set up any explosives, much less in the experimental manner they would've had to have used.
 
DeathDart said:
Give us a shout when you start the revolution.

That will be an interesting challenge. How to defeat the NSA's internal monitoring, and yes, I know they are not supposed to be doing that.

I wonder if it can be co-opted to transmit? V had so many creative Ideas.
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Troll. Mildy amusing though. 6/10.
 
seewithyourowneyes said:
One, tell them NIST, the creators of the fantasy, do not believe in the pancake theory. Then explain they never modeled the global collapse in the first place. Official excuse: "too chaotic for computer models".
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The implied assertion here is that it was not too chaotic for computer modeling. It was. Also, they were there to study how the collapse started, not the entire process.

Second, explain the reasoning this way, which has now become my favorite way to introduce the subject to both laymen and expert:

1. Build or imagine a structure composed of all of the same material. WTC towers, lemons,pizza boxes, crackers, it doesn't
matter.

2. Take 1/10th of the top part of the structure, lift it just off the top of the remaining part, and drop it on the remaining
9/10ths of the structure. In order for the official collapse excuse to be valid, the 1/10th will crush down the remaining
9/10ths at nearly free fall speed/time every time. With regards to the towers, there was of course support between the
top part and the bottom part minus impact damage. And the bottom part of the towers actually got stronger on the way
down. But the elementary exercise will explain the gist of the arguement.
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Let's start with the Square Cube Law saying that even a scale model of the Towers wouldn't be accurate in it's representation of what the real thing could withstand. Move on to the fact that the collapse did not fall at free fall speed, which would be impossible even with explosives without them literally vaporizing the supports or actively propelling them downward at FFA. Any object the "free falling" obejects hit that is not itself moving at freefall will cause it to decelerate. There's a few more points, but I think I've explained the gist of the debunking.

2a. You can now explain to your group why NIST didn't model the global collapse, as their excuse was the event was "too
chaotic to model" via computer. I might add also that it is impossible to model in reality as well.
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I like how you carefully avoid asserting that the progressive collapse was, in fact, capable of being modeled by computer.

3. Then explain to the people the impossibility of such a notion and from there introduce the concept of support removal via
explosives, thermite/thermate, external energy source, etc in order to get to a global collapse.
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Progressive collapse, and "external energy source" is so vague it could cover anything from earthquakes to Wood's much-celebrated space beams.

From there, you can get into the theorizing....how did they get into the complext to wire it up? Check security. What explains the events in the basements prior to collapse? Support removal to ensure global collapse,
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Except that the collapse started, and progressed, from the top.

survivors reminded of WTC 93 truck bomb, etc. Check early hypothesis of FBI on 9/11: truck bomb.
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Yes, and they changed the hypothesis in light of new evidence. Unlike, say, truthers.

Firefighter's descriptions of explosions going off, check PA transcripts.
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Explosions != explosives.

You may arrive at someone telling you, "yeah well maybe the terrorists did gain access to the guts of the towers....". Fair enough. Then ask why did NIST, FEMA, BATF, etc. etc. NOT test for explosive residues in the debris or why they didn't even consider a controlled demolition hypothesis.
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They did. Thermite/Thermate/NT is not fast enough, and any demo explosives would've been audible across Manhattan, not just on the ground and nearby. Loud enough to cause hearing damage at a half-mile. Also, no signs of barotrauma whatsoever.
 
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SteveAustin said:
So discussing the psyop aspect of 9/11 is off-topic in the "general discussion thread" in the "9/11 CT subforum" forum?

The constant calls of my being off-topic when discussing the psyops is a big clue as to how threathened people are by it
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You can't be threatened my something that does not exist. I don't feel threatened at all.
 
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On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]

This sounds more like part time Israeli intelligence operatives doing some industrial espionage on the side. As far as a controlled demolition too many things could go wrong. You would need smart initiators, something like the launch code locks on missiles, so current pulses or nearby computers wouldn't trigger an explosion. An occupied building, is a minefield when setting explosives

That is a lot of specialized hardware and a lot of cables.

The worse thing that could happen is that one of the buildings wasn't hit by a plane at all. It is still wired for explosives, which will be certainly found.

Too much risk, not enough gain.
 
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On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower."
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And the perps apparently rappelled in from helicopters...:rolleyes:
 
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On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower."
And the perps apparently rappelled in from helicopters...


The building was still getting some power. The elevators were probably still working. Somebody could have used 100 radioactive spiders on some illegal immigrants and they crawled up the outside.

Wait, was there a big bright light surrounded by some electrified fence on top of the building? Scratch the illegal spider dudes.
 
DeathDart said:
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On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]
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Except for the minor fact that no "power down" could have happened as described.

"The PDC-supplied electrical systems are designed so that electrical power to each building served is provided through more than one feeder. The substations for buildings in the complex are designed such that full electrical service will not be interrupted in any building even with the loss of two 13.8-volt electrical service conductors. Though some electrical feeders are routed differently, most are routed in the ceiling/floor assembly between the B1 and B2 levels. As a result of this type of installation, the feeders are encased in concrete over the distance to their respective substations throughout the complex.

For electrical design purposes, Towers 1 and 2 have been subdivided into two vertical sections, i.e., Tower 1 — north and south sides; Tower 2 — east and west sides. Each vertical section is supplied by four electrical substations; one substation in each of the mechanical equipment rooms (MER) on the 7th, 41st, 75th, and 108th floors. Thus, Tower 1 and Tower 2 each have a total of eight electrical substations.

The arrangement of substation equipment is the same in both towers; that is, each substation has four air-cooled transformers. The transformers are rated as 1500KVA, 3 phase, 13.8KV-480/277 volt. Each is provided with a 600-ampere, 15-KV primary, no-load disconnect switch on the primary side and a 2500-ampere circuit breaker on the secondary side.

Four feeders from the PDC supply electricity to each vertical section of the tower. Each feeder supplies electricity to one transformer in each substation within a vertical section. For example, Feeder A1 supplies electricity to one transformer in each substation for the north side of Tower 1. Similarly, Feeder A2 provides electricity to another transformer in the substations on the north side of Tower 1. According to this design scheme, each feeder will supply four transformers.

The main difference in electrical design between the towers is that Tower 2 has two additional feeders. These feeders supply a substation on the 43rd floor. The transformers in this substation are dedicated and provide power to a tenant area."

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/wtcprimaryandemergencyelectricalpower
 
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