Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

NoahFence said:
"Debunkers" however, may not all be metalurgists, but we can made an educated guess:
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This debunker is a metallurgist. :)

I don't know what it is with these x-ray visioned truthers who can tell what a material is just by looking at it. I guess they do the x-ray diffraction pattern calculations in their heads. I'd love to be able to do that, but I can't. I wonder why. Could a truther teach me please I want to know what the secret is.

There are dozens of materials, metals and alloys that will melt in fires. To presume that a photo shows steel and steel only and not acknowledge the fact that it could be other materials is sheer arrogance. It's quite pathetic too.

Unless you have a sample of the material and analyse it, then it's impossible to know what the material it is - unless of course there is some other cue in the picture.
 
tmd2_1 said:
It turns silver very quick, Look there's some still haning off the cylinder that is silver. More then enough time there was in the south tower from where it was falling to the ground.
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Do you have any evidence apart from 'It looks like'. Math? Sciencet stuff like that?
 
Sunstealer said:
This debunker is a metallurgist. :)

I don't know what it is with these x-ray visioned truthers who can tell what a material is just by looking at it. I guess they do the x-ray diffraction pattern calculations in their heads. I'd love to be able to do that, but I can't. I wonder why. Could a truther teach me please I want to know what the secret is.

There are dozens of materials, metals and alloys that will melt in fires. To presume that a photo shows steel and steel only and not acknowledge the fact that it could be other materials is sheer arrogance. It's quite pathetic too.

Unless you have a sample of the material and analyse it, then it's impossible to know what the material it is - unless of course there is some other cue in the picture.
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Truthers have spectrographic eyes. That's another reason why twd2_1 refuses to disclose his qualifications and be tracked down by the NWO.
 
tmd2_1 said:
It turns silver very quick, Look there's some still haning off the cylinder that is silver. More then enough time there was in the south tower from where it was falling to the ground.
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Ignoring the "pure aluminum" bit, and assuming the heating is comparable.
 
000063 said:
Oh wow, that's really pretty. Where's it from?
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It is the firefall from Yosemite National Park. They used to do it in the summer but the Park Service stop it years ago. My understanding was that it was simply burning wood chips. poured into the river above the falls.
 
This is all so he can tell his buddies, "I went to JREF and they just called me stoopid n stuff, but I refused to give in so I kept giving them the truth! But they wouldn't listen no matter how many times I proved them wrong!". Its purely intellectual masturbation.
 
grandmastershek said:
Time for credential call. Who has experience in metal fabrication or some relevant form of engineering?

-2 years technical school focusing on metal fabrication using: MIG, TIG, Stick, & Oxy-Acetylene processes for aluminum, steel, & stainless steel.

-6 years experience maintaining & refurbishing marine construction equipment & barges.



You mean the test with the answers below it?
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I have airframe and powerplant training (though no degree or license). This included training with OA torches, mig, tig, and arc (stick) welders.

I'm also an active vollie fireman with certs in fire behavior.
 
grandmastershek said:
This is all so he can tell his buddies, "I went to JREF and they just called me stoopid n stuff, but I refused to give in so I kept giving them the truth! But they wouldn't listen no matter how many times I proved them wrong!". Its purely intellectual masturbation.
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Is it possible that he really believes that he has proved the experts wrong? It doesn't seem possible that he does. The mind boggles.
 
tmd2_1 said:
If you actually looked at his videos you would see how little he used to have a melting affect. You clearly did not watch his videos.
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What you again fail to understand is that while he used a little very little melted and it happened very quickly and none of it was left unreacted. Ignoring the practical problems with his experiment to apply to the WTC, you don't seem to understand the following...

If you're saying thermite shaped charges were used to demolish the building, thats one thing. If your'e saying that there was molten steel lying all over the place, so much so that it formed "rivers of steel" for weeks and which which was fed by tons and tons "unreacted thermite" then thats something else.

Now I asked you some questions, now bloody well answer them. Dodging direct questions does not mean you have won.


Unreacted thermite continuing to react and creating "rivers of molten steel"?

1. Can you suggest how many tons of this stuff was in the building?
2. Can you suggest to us why we didn't see thermite pouring from absolutely everywhere? (one single corner of one building is nowhere near enough for what you're claiming)
3. Can you suggest as to how many pounds of thermite is required to melt a single piece of steel into a "river"?
4. If there was so much thermite and so much molten steel, why isn't there any physical evidence of it whatsoever apart from 1 single dodgy picture from someone that has used touched up pictures in the past?
5. Why would they use so much of something that is according to you going to be so suspicious afterwards? Why did they include more than was necessary to bring down the towers so that people could find it later?
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I also asked you:

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6. If it was so strange, why is it no one cares about it?

Not a single person in the peer reviewed literature and professional commentary has mentioned it as being strange. The only people that have an issue with this stuff in a tiny fringe group of nobodies. You have to believe everyone else is either too stupid or they are in on it.
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That's 6 questions you have failed to answer and there have been plenty more in the past just from me alone. You say you've got a lot of people to reply to as your excuse, except when you do reply to people you ignore everything they are saying.
 
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Edx said:
What you again fail to understand is that while he used a little very little melted and it happened very quickly.

If you're saying thermite shaped charges were used to demolish the building, thats one thing. If your'e saying that there was molten steel lying all over the place, so much so that it formed "rivers of steel" for weeks and which which was fed by tons and tons "unreacted thermite" then thats something else.

Now I asked you some questions, now bloody well answer them. Dodging direct questions does not mean you have won.




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I also asked you:

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That's 6 questions you have failed to answer and there have been plenty more in the past just from me alone. You say you've got a lot of people to reply to as your excuse, except when you do reply to people you ignore everything they are saying.
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Answer the questions tmd. The list is getting longer.
 
Edx said:
What you again fail to understand is that while he used a little very little melted and it happened very quickly. Ignoring the practical problems with his experiment to apply to the WTC, you don't seem to understand the following...

If you're saying thermite shaped charges were used to demolish the building, thats one thing. If your'e saying that there was molten steel lying all over the place, so much so that it formed "rivers of steel" for weeks and which which was fed by tons and tons "unreacted thermite" then thats something else.

Now I asked you some questions, now bloody well answer them. Dodging direct questions does not mean you have won.


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I also asked you:

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That's 6 questions you have failed to answer and there have been plenty more in the past just from me alone. You say you've got a lot of people to reply to as your excuse, except when you do reply to people you ignore everything they are saying.
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I never said any such thing about rivers of steel for weeks...yes shaped charges. I was saying fires lasted for weeks...un reacted thermite could be causing the fires..if I misspoke I apologize...this what I meant. Follow what cole says about it (not saying that in an arrogant way) that is what I believe happened
 
tmd.

We've told you what the flow exiting the building very likely is.

Why do you ignore the answer, then post 2 seconds later that nobody has provided an alternative to steel?
 
tmd2_1 said:
Come back when you have your video
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:confused: You don't get it do you? People who perform scientific experiments do not video themselves doing the experiments and then put the video on youtube. You don't even seem to understand why? You seem to have some sort of fixation with video. I know of no-one that would make a video instead of producing a paper or publishing results.

Just because you don't have the attention span, the patience or the knowledge to digest even the simplest of publications doesn't mean that everyone else should dumb themselves down to your level.

Secondly it is up to the claimant to provide evidence. You are making the claims for thermite, it is up to you to present your evidence. So far you have none, nada,. zilch. zip, sweet felicity arkwright.

You are also showing your immaturity. I suspect that you don't have any qualifications because you are still at school. You haven't got them yet.
 
ApolloGnomon said:
Your second video, f'rinstance, zooms menacingly on the famous angled-cut column image, as if that's some kind of evidence of something, usually therm*te. I've done rather detailed analysis of that specific image using the best resolution I could find and I can clearly identify that it was cut using an undersized torch for the thickness of metal, and that the user changed position several times.
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And there's even a youtube video (the truther gold standard of evidence) showing it!

 
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