Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

[Dumb All Over]

I'm claiming victory because I did. Look all this about Molten steel, just one point and all I said was possibly...and it's only strengthed my point.

Well then, I guess there is no need to discuss anything further. Congratulations on your victory. It has been wonderful having you as a contributor to the forums. Since victory has been obtained, there should be no reason for you to post here anymore. Take care and good luck in all you do.

Cheers,
DAO

 

[tmd2_1]

I've watched all of those videos and I can categorically tell you that Jon Cole doesn't know what he is talking about. There is no such thing as "eutectic steel".

The iron-carbon phase equilibrium diagram has a eutectic at 4.3wt% C and 1147°C but no alloy let alone steel is used at this composition - very brittle. But of course you have no clue about that diagram, you have no clue about metallurgy and you certainly don't understand what a eutectic system is.

So bearing in mind that you didn't know this what do you say to that?

Jon Cole has not subjected his steel that he has done his poor experiments on to any metallurgical analysis. Therefore he has no conclusion yet you continue to trumpet him. It's worthless.

I've linked dozens of times to the report that explains heavily corroded steel, but you refuse to acknowledge its findings even though it was written by professionals. This says everything about you; you would rather believe someone who is wrong and has no experience over people who are right and have huge experience.

Your complete lack of any qualifications means you don't have the knowledge or ability to assess anything to do with 9/11. You are gullible and easily persuaded.

I must have asked you double digit times..go out and prove it by experiment. Simple as that.

 

[Animal]

Could be aluminum mixed with lots of other crap. The aircraft was made primarily of aluminum

Could be lead mixed with lots of other crap. The UPS was primarily lead.

Sorry, you haven't convinced me that it HAS TO BE steel.

ETA: You also haven't convinced me that it PROBABLY WAS steel.

It could have been burning wood products and water.

 

[twinstead]

The absolute ONLY response to the video is, "hmmmm. There was a lot of stuff in that building. I wonder what that could be."

And that's IT. End of discussion.

 

[dafydd]

Quite to the contrary...I'm doing an awful lot of good. Prooving people like you are liars.

I'm not lying. I haven't said anything about 911 because I have followed along here for years and learned about that awful day. I leave it to those who have studied to tell you where you are going wrong. You never listen,but they do their best. I never talk about 911 to anyone,I live in Belgium, a truther free land. 911 is history here. You don't know me so how can I be like other people that you don't know?

 

[grandmastershek]

What are the chances aluminium mixed with anything will look that much like molten steel?

And this your inherent problem, that you think with your vast education and experience on the subject from youtube that you can just look at something glowing orange and say its molten steel. Real sources say otherwise, but hey your in your head so it makes sense to you.

Has TMD taken the molten steel test yet? Yeah I didn't think so...coward.

 

[tmd2_1]

I asked you a direct question and you send me to him?

He does not even attempt to answer any of those questions. If you disagre please tell me the timestamps where he answers them and do this for every single question I asked you in turn.

Or, explain your answer using what is contained in the video. You can even refer to the video and as a reference, but don't just fob me off to something that doesn't explain a damn thing you wish it did.



Ive already seen them, as I recall he isn't even he is making the ridiclous claims you are making. Hence my questions lie unanswered. Address it, they are to the heart of why you're claims are logically absurd. If you even considered how much thermite woudl be needed to melt a steel beam to "river" and then keep it running you'd realise how much would be needed to fulfill your theory and therefore reject it but you don't want to deal with tough questions like that.



Once again...

Not a single person in the peer reviewed literature and professional commentary has mentioned it as being strange. The only people that have an issue with this stuff in a tiny fringe group of nobodies. You have to believe everyone else is either too stupid or they are in on it.

If you actually looked at his videos you would see how little he used to have a melting affect. You clearly did not watch his videos.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

What are the chances aluminium mixed with anything will look that much like molten steel? Not great I'd imagine.

You can imagine whatever you like. I can just as easily imagine that it's very likely. Some molten material pouring out of the upper story of a skyscraper is impossible to identify accurately.

Coupled with all the testimony, all the witnesses who said they saw it, including Leslie Robertson who would then lie about it. Witnesses who have no reason to lie literally saying beams were melting. What other conclusion is there?

There are several other conclusions that can be reached, and these have been explained to you several times.

You, yourself said just a few posts ago that "anythings possible. I can't prove it was steel".

 

[dafydd]

Well then, I guess there is no need to discuss anything further. Congratulations on your victory. It has been wonderful having you as a contributor to the forums. Since victory has been obtained, there should be no reason for you to post here anymore. Take care and good luck in all you do.

Cheers,
DAO

Yes,he won. The new investigation starts tomorrow,run by tuthers and available on the Comedy Channel.

 

[alphahelix]

quite to the contrary...i'm doing an awful lot of good. Prooving people like me are liars.

ftfy

 

[000063]

Yet me of "no qualification" has proven every person wrong.

As a general rule, if you're arguing with a lot of people, they're collectively more likely to be right than you are. If you're arguing with people with actual qualifications, they are, again, more likely to be right than you are. You've been arguing with a lot of people, several with qualifications, yet you insist you have a perfect record against people whom you admit are more qualified to pass judgement on the matter than you are.

 

[Sabretooth]

That video is self debunking, for two reasons:

1. He used pure aluminum.

2. It was freakin' orange just as he started pouring.

TMD...why are you IGNORING this? THIS is why people think you're a troll. You claimed this as evidence and it doesn't even show what you claimed it would prove!

Get off the pot.

 

[DGM]

You know, I think tmd2_1 is ready to defend KSM.


tmd2_1, You got my blessing, Go For It!

 

[tmd2_1]

TMD...why are you IGNORING this? THIS is why people think you're a troll. You claimed this as evidence and it doesn't even show what you claimed it would prove!

Get off the pot.

It turns silver very quick, Look there's some still haning off the cylinder that is silver. More then enough time there was in the south tower from where it was falling to the ground.

 

[Edx]

Prooving people like you are liars.

Name a single lie. You're dancing all over the place and refuse to answer questions.

 

[dafydd]

As a general rule, if you're arguing with a lot of people, they're collectively more likely to be right than you are. If you're arguing with people with actual qualifications, they are, again, more likely to be right than you are. You've been arguing with a lot of people, several with qualifications, yet you insist you have a perfect record against people whom you admit are more qualified to pass judgement on the matter than you are.

That's troofers for you. Pig ignorant,but they know more than all the experts lumped together.Sad,touching and funny, bless 'em.

 

[tmd2_1]

Name a single lie. You're dancing all over the place and refuse to answer questions.

I'm talking about him specifically see the other thread..he knows ask him. Took his molten metal test got it right..asked him how I did,,he replies what test...that lie

 

[grandmastershek]

As a general rule, if you're arguing with a lot of people, they're collectively more likely to be right than you are. If you're arguing with people with actual qualifications, they are, again, more likely to be right than you are. You've been arguing with a lot of people, several with qualifications, yet you insist you have a perfect record against people whom you admit are more qualified to pass judgement on the matter than you are.

Time for credential call. Who has experience in metal fabrication or some relevant form of engineering?

-2 years technical school focusing on metal fabrication using: MIG, TIG, Stick, & Oxy-Acetylene processes for aluminum, steel, & stainless steel.

-6 years experience maintaining & refurbishing marine construction equipment & barges.

I'm talking about him specifically see the other thread..he knows ask him. Took his molten metal test got it right..asked him how I did,,he replies what test...that lie

You mean the test with the answers below it?

 

[000063]

Dude. We're TELLING you what other possibilities there are. WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THEM?

He has a tendency to do that. People give him evidence that directly contradicts his claims, yet he will repeat the same claim shortly therafter like the point wasn't even made. I think there's a cognitive bias so it doesn't sink in.

 

[Sabretooth]

It turns silver very quick, Look there's some still haning off the cylinder that is silver. More then enough time there was in the south tower from where it was falling to the ground.

Holy crap.

That clinches it...you're a full blown troll.

Welcome to ignore, tool.