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Do you believe that as humans had a hand in writing the Koran, that some of it might be just wrong, as a result of human error or fallibility?

Would it be possible for you to reject a portion of the Koran but still consider yourself a Muslim?

My biggest problem with most religions is that typically they hold their book to be infallible. With something so influential I just have a hard time believing that nobody compiling it would have put words into it for their own purposes, or at least be so eager for validation of their personal beliefs that they would "spin" it in their favor.
 
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Welcome to the Forum, Jinn (cool nickname, btw)

Suppose there is a conflict between the findings of science and a particular (let's say "literal" for lack of a better descriptor) interpretation of the Koran. How would you resolve this conflict? Further, how would you address your fellow, more fundamentalist Islamic brethren who insist that such a "literal" reading of the Koran trump all else?

Peace Mattus,

This is a very interesting question and one that I can answer rather humorously.

Such issues have already been raised due to many various interpretations of the Qur'anic text. One such example was a fatwa issued by Grand Mufti Shiekh Ibn Baaz titled "The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth" Long story short, the Shiekh claimed the earth was flat, the sun revolved around the earth and that all evidence to the contrary was a Western Conspiracy. Although his fatwa used a few verses from the Qur'an, they were taken incredibly out of their literary context of metaphoric descriptions.

However, the most recent hurdle for traditional Islam is that of Evolution, mostly because they take one interpretation to be absolute, when the language of the Qur'an is incredibly adaptable. I've seen it go both ways from both pro and anti-evolutionary stances. As for me and many other Muslims like me, we have no problem with Evolution and honestly do believe it aligns with the Qur'an. Although that would best be saved for another question if it comes up.

I guess the short answer is that the Qur'an, like any piece of literary work, is open to interpretation for those who want to achieve a slant. However, to date, I haven't encountered any passages that directly contradict what we know.
 
Jinn, where are you from and what's your ethnic background?
 
What does the Quran have to say about homosexuality? Do you accept the teachings?
 
Such issues have already been raised due to many various interpretations of the Qur'anic text.

Why would God allow His Word to be open to interpretation?

Why not just be definitive?

He is God after all!
 
Peace gerdbonk,


The verses in question would be Chapter 86 al-Tariq, 1-3.

The arabic "tariq" means "knocking" "striking" "Rapping" or "pulsing" and so the chapter translates into "The Knocker/Striker/Rapper", etc. I will use "Knocker" for the verses.

1. By the Sky and The Knocker
2. And what will make you know what The Knocker is?
3. The star of piercing brightness!

From these three verses, we can conclude that the object in question is a star of some sort, it is described as knocking, rapping, pulsing, etc; and is piercingly bright. Not only do pulsars sound like they're knocking due to their fast rotations, but they are incredibly bright. The crab nebula is one such example of how immensely bright these things are. That's the basic answer.

I'm sorry, Jinn, but this is really a bad, bad misinterpretation.

Pulsars are not bright. At all. They were discovered by radio emissions, not optically.

Although there is a pulsar at the center of the Crab Nebula, it is faint. The bright glow of the nebula comes from gas and filaments (atmospheric remnants) that are the result of the supernova explosion that created it.

These are facts of science that you can verify through research.

Given this, do you acknowledge that the Qur'an does not accurately describe a pulsar?
 
Such issues have already been raised due to many various interpretations of the Qur'anic text. One such example was a fatwa issued by Grand Mufti Shiekh Ibn Baaz titled "The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth" Long story short, the Shiekh claimed the earth was flat, the sun revolved around the earth and that all evidence to the contrary was a Western Conspiracy. Although his fatwa used a few verses from the Qur'an, they were taken incredibly out of their literary context of metaphoric descriptions.

Is this the famous Saudi cleric otherwise known as Bin Baz who, IIRC, had to come up with a fatwa to allow troops into the Grand Mosque of Mecca to end al-Otaibi's seige?

However, the most recent hurdle for traditional Islam is that of Evolution, mostly because they take one interpretation to be absolute, when the language of the Qur'an is incredibly adaptable. I've seen it go both ways from both pro and anti-evolutionary stances. As for me and many other Muslims like me, we have no problem with Evolution and honestly do believe it aligns with the Qur'an. Although that would best be saved for another question if it comes up.

How is evolution compatible with the Koran? :D

Do the majority of Muslims agree with evolution or is this a minority/controversial view?
 
How are these questions relevent to Islam? One can be of any race, nationality or ethnicity and embrace Islam.


I think it's still interesting to learn what Jinn's background is, if he or she is willing to share this. Why is that a problem?
 
Hmmm...so is it fair to say you were a Sunni and you rejected Sunnism and the hadiths at the same time? Would it be fair to say you are not a practioner of "Sunna" as well?

I have heard of "Quranists" and assumed that this is by far a minority of the "umma". Are there actually any mosques around you which recognize your form of Islam? And without wanting to pepper you with too many questions at once do you ever find it difficult to gain acceptance with other Muslims considering you don't recognize the authenticity of the hadiths?

Peace angrysoba,

Sunni Islam holds the collective hadith volums of Imams Bukhari and Muslim to be canon. To reject those collections as I do, would effectively strip you of adhering to Sunni philosophy.

To say that I am not a practitioner of Sunnah would be, in my opinion, false. I believe that Muhammad followed the Qur'an, and therefore the Qur'an is Muhammad's Sunnah.

There are several mosques that cater to non-denominational Muslims, but I usually don't have a problem attending any of my local Sunni mosques. Go in, say hi to everyone, pray, and shut my mouth about hadith. Not to say I haven't had problems in the past when people have "outed" me, but it's more uncomfortable than threatening... It'd be like a Protestant going into a Catholic church, I guess.

Acceptance once my beliefs are exposed is rather hit and miss. There are many who say if I don't follow their sunnah, I'm not a Muslim, while others recognize that the Qur'an is the core of our beliefs and that we are to treat everyone with respect, even if we don't always agree.
 
I think it's still interesting to learn what Jinn's background is, if he or she is willing to share this. Why is that a problem?

I think Dayan's being a little bit prematurely defensive.

Relax, Dayan, I am sure Jinn can take care of himself and it's a little patronizing to assume he needs you to moderate the questions.
 
I'll buy the knocker/rapper idea for now, but how do you support a "star of incredible brightness"? The first pulsar wasn't observed until 1967, which would be incredibly unlikely if pulsars are supposed to be piercingly bright, which they are clearly not.

Sorry, but just on that, I don't buy it. Is there more?

Peace AdMan,

As I referenced, the Crab Nebula is an example on how powerful a pulsar is. The pulsar inside the Nebula is around 10 miles in diameter but generating enough light to illuminate around 6 light years of supernova remnants using only it's pulsing lighthouse effect.

Hope that helps. :)
 
Was the existence of the Pulsar known to Islamic scholars before it was discovered by Astronomers?

Did YOU learn of the existence of Pulsars by reading the Quoran, or did you read someone elses interpretaion of a Quoranic verse to be a prediction of Pulsars?

Peace Ross,

Pulsars were discovered in 1967 I believe. As I said before, the Qur'an is not a science book, it is a book of signs. I would believe that prior to the official discovery, there would be some students of the Qur'an that had theorized the idea of a pulsing star, just as many Islamic scholars theorized what was called "The Mohammedan Theory of Evolution" as people prior to the popularization of Darwin's Origin of Species called it.

I knew about pulsars before I studied the Qur'an, so the reference was quite stunning to me. I read various interpretations and study the Qur'an in it's original Arabic.
 
Peace AdMan,

As I referenced, the Crab Nebula is an example on how powerful a pulsar is. The pulsar inside the Nebula is around 10 miles in diameter but generating enough light to illuminate around 6 light years of supernova remnants using only it's pulsing lighthouse effect.

Hope that helps. :)

Do you at least acknowledge the possibility that this is a REALLY reaching interpretation, and that those verses could have been used post hock
to supposedly explain any number of later discovered phenomena?

Can you also explain the purpose of putting vaguely phrased references into a supposed book of revelation? Surly Revelation should result in knowledge. Can you cite one scientific discovery made BECAUSE of Quoranic interpretation, rather then ascribed to a verse in the Quoran AFTER it was discovered independently?
 
Was the existence of the Pulsar known to Islamic scholars before it was discovered by Astronomers?

Did YOU learn of the existence of Pulsars by reading the Quoran, or did you read someone elses interpretaion of a Quoranic verse to be a prediction of Pulsars?

It is another case of GOD OF HINDSIGHT.

Moslims love to go through the quran and contort some verses and WITH HINDSIGHT of science of today squeeze some meaning out of the verses to construe that it actually meant these things.

TARIQ means the KNOCKER and it does not mean PULSING.....and the TAFSEER of IBN KATHIR which is the quintessential expounding and elucidation of the Quran (like the Talmud is to the Torah) said that it was a bright star in the NIGHT Sky that would come through the night like the KNOCKER on the door.

If the Quran has any science in it other than GOD OF HINDSIGHT effect then we would have the Muslims colonizing Mars by now judging by all the science they construe out of it in hindsight after non-muslim scientists have worked it out.



All you need is to look at the Tafseer of Ibn Katheer of the verses to see that he is talking RUBBISH.

Look at how people BEFORE the "kafereen" scientists of the west discovered the cosmological science and made the information available, saw the TAFSEER of the verses. (see below)

Notice the REST of the sura.....notice the verse that talks about the man being made from gushing water that comes from between the back bone and the ribs. Also look at its tafseer. So if the very same surah has BIOLOGY ALL WRONG and as we have seen it has no real meaning in cosmology then we know that it is a LOAD OF RUBBISH

So these SHYSTER new translators who want to RE-INTERPRET the arabic language and the quran to fit it into science DISCOVERED BY "KAFEREEN" should remember to read the TAFSEERS and to remember that ISLAM DID NOT DISCOVER these things that they want to use in HINDSIGHT to try to make the quran APPEAR less retarded than it really is. They also should remember that it is the "KAFEREEN" who discovered these things DESPITE not having any quran to rely upon with HIDDEN and MEANINGLESS stuff.

In the tafseer below notice how the HADITH i.e. Muhammad himself did not know the meaning and no one else did.

Remember that no matter how much they try to TWIST and CONTORT the meaning of the MEANINGLESS WORDS in the quran to CAJOLE them into meaning something scientific in HINDSIGHT, they will not be able to rub out the OTHER RUBBISH verses that are clearly understood and have no way of being twisted into meaning anything else and are TOTALLY UNSCIENTIFIC. For example the verse in the very same surah that talks about sperm coming out from the backbone and ribs of man.....let alone the verses that talk about earth being flat and the heavens is a dome and maintained from falling down on earth due to invisible pillars and hundreds of moronic stuff that one day I will write up in one essay.


Here is the tafseer ibn katheer Notice the colored stuff: (for information on Pulsars see this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar)

For Tafseer....see this site http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1201&Itemid=142

﴿وَالسَّمَآء وَالطَّارِقِ- وَمَآ أَدْرَاكَ مَا الطَّارِقُ- النَّجْمُ الثَّاقِبُ- إِن كُلُّ نَفْسٍ لَّمَّا عَلَيْهَا حَافِظٌ- فَلْيَنظُرِ الإِنسَـنُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ- خُلِقَ مِن مَّآء دَافِقٍ- يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ- إِنَّهُ عَلَى رَجْعِهِ لَقَادِرٌ- يَوْمَ تُبْلَى السَّرَآئِرُ- فَمَا لَهُ مِن قُوَّةٍ وَلاَ نَاصِرٍ-﴾

(1. By the heaven, and At-Tariq) (2. And what will make you to know what At-Tariq is) (3. The star, Ath-Thaqib.) (4. There is no human being but has a protector over him.) (5. So, let man see from what he is created!) (6. He is created from a water gushing forth,) (7. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) (8. Verily, He is Able to bring him back!) (9. The Day when all the secrets will be examined.) (10. Then he will have no power, nor any helper.)


Allah swears by the heaven and what He has placed in it of radiant stars. Thus, He says,

﴿وَالسَّمَآءِ وَالطَّارِقِ ﴾

(By the heaven, and At-Tariq) Then He says,

﴿وَمَآ أَدْرَاكَ مَا الطَّارِقُ ﴾

(And what will make you to know what At-Tariq is) Then He explains it by His saying,

﴿النَّجْمُ الثَّاقِبُ ﴾

(The star of Ath-Thaqib.) Qatadah and others have said, "The star has been named Tariq because it is only seen at night and it is hidden during the day.'' His view is supported by what has been mentioned in the authentic Hadith that prohibits a man to come to his family Taruq. This means that he comes to them unexpectedly at nighttime. Concerning Allah's statement,

﴿الثَّاقِبُ﴾

(Ath-Thaqib.) Ibn `Abbas said, "The illuminating.'' `Ikrimah said, "It is illuminating and it burns the Shaytan'' Then Allah says,

﴿إِن كُلُّ نَفْسٍ لَّمَّا عَلَيْهَا حَافِظٌ ﴾

(There is no human being but has a protector over him.) meaning, every soul has a guardian over it from Allah that protects it from the calamities. This is as Allah says,

﴿لَهُ مُعَقِّبَـتٌ مِّن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ يَحْفَظُونَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِ اللَّهِ﴾

(For Him, there are angels in succession, before and behind him. They guard him by the command of Allah.) (13:11)


Allah says,

﴿فَلْيَنظُرِ الإِنسَـنُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ ﴾

(So, let man see from what he is created!) This is alerting man to the weakness of his origin from which he was created. The intent of it is to guide man to accept (the reality of) the Hereafter, because whoever is able to begin the creation then he is also able to repeat it in the same way. This is as Allah says,

﴿وَهُوَ الَّذِى يَبْدَأُ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ يُعِيدُهُ وَهُوَ أَهْوَنُ عَلَيْهِ﴾

(And He it is Who originates the creation, then He will repeat it; and this is easier for Him.) (30:27) Then Allah says,

﴿خُلِقَ مِن مَّآءٍ دَافِقٍ ﴾

(He is created from a water gushing forth.) meaning, the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from the man and the woman. Thus, the child is produced from both of them by the permission of Allah. Due to this Allah says,

﴿يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ ﴾

(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) meaning, the backbone (or loins) of the man and the ribs of the woman, which is referring to her chest. Shabib bin Bishr reported from `Ikrimah who narrated from Ibn `Abbas that he said,

﴿يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ ﴾

(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) "The backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman. It (the fluid) is yellow and fine in texture. The child will not be born except from both of them (i.e., their sexual fluids).'' Concerning Allah's statement,

﴿إِنَّهُ عَلَى رَجْعِهِ لَقَادِرٌ ﴾

(Verily, He is Able to bring him back (to life)!) This means that He is able to return this man that is created from fluid gushed forth. In other words, He is able to repeat his creation and resurrect him to the final abode. This is clearly possible, because whoever is able to begin the creation then he surely is able to repeat it. Indeed Allah has mentioned this proof in more than one place in the Qur'an.
 
Hi Jinn
welcome to the forum.
my question would be about transplanting organs. I have heard Islam does allow tranplantations of Organs if the donor does not need it. But this also counts for death donors, so it would be not OK to transplant the heart of a death person.

is that correct? and if so, would you reject a heart if you needed it?
 
What does the Quran have to say about homosexuality? Do you accept the teachings?

I know this one. They are to be cast out.

Welcome to JREF, Jinn. I used to have a good friend who was Muslim, till he died. I hope we become friends too :)
 

Peace Toontown,

*sigh*

I will field this, even though it's not a question, but honestly, I'm not too amused by having to address Jochen Katz and his ilk again. I'd like to kindly ask you not to use others to form your questions, or in this case, your rebukes.

Here's my answer:

The persecution of apostates in "Islamic" countries is not supported by any Qur'anic decree, but instead mandated by hadith (I have stated previously that I do not agree with the validity of the hadith) and fatwas (or Islamic rulings) by Islamic leaders (whom I do not recognize as authorities).

The author admits up front that the Qur'an shows that apostates are to be judged by God, not us, then goes straight into 4:88-89. He then glosses over 4:90:

Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

If they do not wish to fight, we do not fight them. It's that simple. Furthermore, the context of the verses are for times of unrest and war as pointed out previously in the Chapter.

Next we go to 9:73-74. Most translators use "Strive hard" instead of "Fight hard" at the beginning of the verse, due to it being a more proper translation. Nowhere in these two verses does it tell us to kill unbelievers, rather, it tells us to be firm in mind. I again reference the author's admittance that the Qur'an does not order the wonton killing of apostates.

Critics of Islam love to tell us that "Jihad" is akin to war, killing, physical violence and such, but the literal definition is "to struggle" I can wage a jihad against the bench press at the gym when I up my max lift.

9:123 is quoted out of context and is again describing a time of battle. I invite you to read the contextual surrounding verses.

The rest of the article deals with hadith, which I do not accept as valid for multiple reasons.

Hope that helps.
 

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