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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

tmd2_1 said:
I mean think about what you said...you're sure but the FBI isn't? I mean that's what it comes down to doesn't it?
All I can tell you is keep researching...these other people I don't there's any hope...but I sensed something in that one post of yours. If you don't listen to anything I say...just listen to not just accepting what anyone tells you.
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Actually the FBI contends that Al Queda was behind it. Why do you choose to ignore that part?
 
jaydeehess said:
What makes you suspicious about no one having tested the molten substance?

Furthermore how does your suspicion bolster any contention that it was steel?
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I mean why would they not...it's not overly hard to do...and more importantly it may help in the investigation. You know molten steel = problem for official story. That is in less someone or someones didn't want a real investigation.
 
jaydeehess said:
I saw a potato that looked like a rabbit. Does that make the potato a rabbit?
Once again then, I want technical evidence, not a subjective off hand remark by anyone., I am not willing in any awy shape or form ready to make the leap of logic that you seem so very ready to make.
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Watch the video.
 
Dayan81 said:
Oh my, this is truly your quintessential 9-11 Truther. Armchair professors and internet novices masquerading as experts. Thank you for this information.
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Indeed....and I don;t know why I posted to an actual study on the subject. Lord knows TMD can't be bothered with anything unless it was uploaded to Youtube, AE911Truth, or Prison Planet.

tmd2_1 said:
I mean why would they not
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Because as I have demonstrated, and you have repeatedly dodged, fire investigators know glowing red materials in a fire are common place. Only the willfully ignorant find it remarkable.
 
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tmd2_1 said:
Also look you have the FBI saying there is no hard evidence against him right? By implication that would mean the tape is bogus. If someone commits a murder and then makes a video, to do nothing but brag about it, I'd say that's hard evidence.
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No, it's not. Hard evidence is things like fingerprints, DNA, financial records, etc etc.
 
Dayan81 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

"Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

1.tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
2.fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
3.fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;"

Oh my, this is truly your quintessential 9-11 Truther. Armchair professors and internet novices masquerading as experts. Thank you for this information.
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Maybe I was wrong about you..maybe there is no hope.
 
grandmastershek said:
Indeed....and I don;t know why I posted to an actual study on the subject. Lord knows TMD can't be bothered with anything unless it was uploaded to Youtube, AE911Truth, or Prison Planet.



Because as I have demonstrated, and you have repeatedly dodged, fire investigators know glowing red materials in a fire are common place. Only the willfully ignorant find it remarkable.
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Did you see the pictures at all...some metal was dripping..that's usual?
 
tmd2_1 said:
First of all water seeps through things..go get a pile of crap(not literal crap) and soak it.
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And that water will flow straight downward? :rolleyes:


tmd2_1 said:
See if what's on the bottom is wet. Second of all, you don't think they made any dent in that rubble by 99 days? I mean non at all...so as they got closer and closer, they soaking things more and more.
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It is so obvious you have no real-world experience in anything 9/11 related, another college freshman who thinks he knows it all.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Maybe I was wrong about you..maybe there is no hope.
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If you were hoping that I would be swayed by your lack of evidence, baseless speculation & ridiculous arguments regarding metal-identification, I am happy to dissapoint you.

My friend, you have devoted a good portion of your time to a failed dream. The sooner you come to accept this hard truth the stronger you will become.

Good luck.
 
tmd2_1 said:
All I can tell you is keep researching...these other people I don'tthink there's any hopefor them...but I sensed something in that one post of yours. If you don't listen to anything I say...just listen to not just accepting what anyone tells you.
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I wish you would include all the words you believe you are typing. It makes for tortured reading.

Now, as for continuing research. I, and many others here, have sat and watched dozens, perhaps hundreds, of youtube videos and musings of Gage, A. Jones and S.Jones, J.Wood, Morgan Reynolds, PfT, the CiT and viewed websites contending min-nukes, holograms, missiles at the WTC and the Pentagon, and discussed matters directly with many of the proponents of the above, here in the pages of this forum.

Yet I have aboslutely never seen any compelling arguement for any conspiracy contentions about the death and destruction that day (I do not get into political musings, only technical aspects).
 
tmd2_1 said:
Did you see the pictures at all...some metal was dripping..that's usual?
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Sigh..thanks for demonstrating you never actually read anything I linked to or posted. Weren't you talking about "research"?

The presence of melted metals at floor level is particularly meaningless in the context of a black hole fire. A study of the 1991 Oakland fire that burned 3,000 homes revealed the presence of melted copper in over 80% of the burned structures, and what appeared to be melted steel in over 90% of the burned structures.

You sir are a bona fide willfully ignorant fool.
 
tmd2_1 said:
A trap you guys use..you do not an to prove or suggest an alternative theory, to disprove the official story.
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Why yes you do actually. That's how science works. The accepted theory holds sway until a competing theory which explains it better replaces it.

Your thermite theory explains nothing at all and is inconsistent with your other claims, while The Official StoryTM explains the days events quite well with no contradictions.
 
Dayan81 said:
You have provided zero evidence of any testing done on this metal to verify its chemical and metalurgic properties.

Do you have any data to back-up your claim that these samples were indeed steel?
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jaydeehess said:
...Yet I still ask the question,"By what technical method was it determined that any molten substance was steel?"
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This question should be repeated by everyone in this thread.
 
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I'll choose to not quote-mine. I'll post a full comment, with context.
You truthers should try it some time...

FBI Director Robert Mueller to the Commonwealth Club, San Francisco
4/19/02
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech041902.htm

To do that, the FBI began working in concert with its many partners to find out everything we could about the hijackers and how they pulled off their attacks. We ran down literally hundreds of thousands of leads and checked every record we could get our hands on, from flight reservations to car rentals to bank accounts.

What emerged from our massive investigation was a sobering portrait of 19 hijackers who carried out their attacks with meticulous planning, extraordinary secrecy, and extensive knowledge of how America works.

The plans were hatched and financed overseas, beginning as long as five years ago. Each of the hijackers came from abroad: fifteen from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, and one each from Lebanon and Egypt. All 19 entered our country legally, and only three had overstayed the legal limits of their visas on the day of the attacks.

While here, the hijackers did all they could to stay below our radar. They contacted no known terrorist sympathizers. They committed no egregious crimes. They dressed and acted like Americans, shopping and eating at places like Wal-Mart and Pizza Hut, blending into the woodwork all the while. When four got speeding tickets in the days leading up to September 11th, they remained calm and aroused no suspicion. Since none were known terrorists, law enforcement had no reason to question or detain them.

The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper – either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere – that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot. The hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind. They used hundreds of different pay phones and cell phones, often with prepaid calling cards that are extremely difficult to trace. And they made sure that all the money sent to them to fund their attacks was wired in small amounts to avoid detection.

In short, the terrorists had managed to exploit loopholes and vulnerabilities in our systems, to stay out of sight, and to not let anyone know what they were up to beyond a very closed circle.

The investigation was enormously helpful in figuring out who and what to look for as we worked to prevent attacks. It allowed us to see where we as a nation needed to close gaps in our security. And it gave us clear and definitive proof that al Qaeda was behind the strikes.
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Guess who "al Qaeda" is...
Oops.
Guess who "al Qaeda" was...
 
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jaydeehess said:
I wish you would include all the words you believe you are typing. It makes for tortured reading.

Now, as for continuing research. I, and many others here, have sat and watched dozens, perhaps hundreds, of youtube videos and musings of Gage, A. Jones and S.Jones, J.Wood, Morgan Reynolds, PfT, the CiT and viewed websites contending min-nukes, holograms, missiles at the WTC and the Pentagon, and discussed matters directly with many of the proponents of the above, here in the pages of this forum.

Yet I have aboslutely never seen any compelling arguement for any conspiracy contentions about the death and destruction that day (I do not get into political musings, only technical aspects).
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I'm sorry it's kind of hard when there is double digit of you guys and one of me. But yet I still manage to document and back up all my points...most of what we have here is "twoofers dumb" type of BS...look at the video, and go here...I don't know you yet...but I have an idea of what your response would be...What could do this to steel...besides extreme heat?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm
 
tmd2_1 said:
I mean why would they not...it's not overly hard to do...and more importantly it may help in the investigation. You know molten steel = problem for official story. That is in less someone or someones didn't want a real investigation.
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Sorry no prize for paranoid musings.
How would one go about such testing and how do you allocate resources to smapling and testing? Is this one site of more than one site? Test every report?
and most importantly;
How would it help with the investigation of how the structures collapsed?
 
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