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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

dafydd said:
Like the truth?
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You have absolutely no relevancy what so ever....I don't think I ever saw you post anything meaningful, not even close...it's all "twoofers dumb" type of BS. All one has to do is look at that other thread to see you are a liar, a fraud. You have no desire to seek what the truth is, none what so ever. You only want to waste time..provoke and insult people..that is all you do.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Because it would have been steel, and they wouldn't want the results to show that. Pretty simple.
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How do you know it would have been steel?

Can you tell by its shape, size, & color from what part of the towers it originated?

By what method of examination & analysis do you state with authority that these photos are of molten steel?
 
Because it would have been steel, and they wouldn't want the results to show that. Pretty simple.
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The sad thing is you don't even know what you wrote there is total gibberish.

You could have easily said "Dom Deluise had pieces of molten steel in the Smokey and the Bandit car" and you would have proven your point equally.
 
tmd2_1 said:
...You have no desire to seek what the truth is, none what so ever. You only want to waste time..provoke and insult people..that is all you do.
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How is stating that lack of testing & evidence is actually evidence for a claim?

How is your clear habit of baseless speculation an honest way of seeking the truth?
 
By what method of examination & analysis
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I'm not going to pretend to know what happens in the vast wasteland that is the truther brain, but I'm sure the method of examination had something to do with proctology.

Just a hunch.
 
tmd2_1 said:
uhhhh no since there was no testing done on the metal in that sample ETA I meant pictures....what would that suggest. Look at this and tell me you aren't pretty convinced there was molten steel.
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Not even close to being molten.

One is right from the FEMA report, with a steel beam with a giant hole in it, the other is a video you will find very interesting. Really now I want you to watch and read...it is very intriguing stuff. Then tell me you're not a little skeptical.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-XA0Rv1Ng8
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<sigh> When did "boring" get redefined as "intriguing"?
 
tmd2_1 said:
You have absolutely no relevancy what so ever....I don't think I ever saw you post anything meaningful, not even close...it's all "twoofers dumb" type of BS. All one has to do is look at that other thread to see you are a liar, a fraud. You have no desire to seek what the truth is, none what so ever. You only want to waste time..provoke and insult people..that is all you do.
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I will post something meaningful just as soon as you do. I'm just amusing myself and responding to the general undertone of comedy that is inherent in truther threads while I wait for you to actually say something instead of parroting the same old nonsense that has been debunked here a hundred times before.
 
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tmd2_1 said:
With that said let me get into my thread. I have noticed that their is a lot of of talk and questions asked about "prove" an alternative theory. The idea is somewhat absurd in nature. First of all each of us is only one person, with limited resources, so asking us to prove something on this scale, just does not seem reasonable. Secondly and more importantly, one does not have to prove an alternative theory to disprove the official theory. For example someone is charged with a murder, if you can prove he was somewhere else at the time, you have proven he did not commit the murder, what actually happened (in terms of the person being charged) is not important.

So I started thinking about the burden of proof. For a criminal case, which this is, in the USA we have what is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The burden of proof lies with the prosecution (ie the official story)
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I will step in here admittedly not having read the entire thread.

IMO tmd has erroneously used a connotation of 'proof' that is simply not intended by many 'debunkers' here.

It is not a legal sense of proof that I personally want, it is a technical scientific proof that I have wanted for the myriad of 911 Conspiracy contentions.

For instance, NIST and others have supplied sufficient research and technical descriptions of plausible theories of how the Manhattan structures came to be destroyed.
To date there is no credible counter to bolster any of the various and sundry contentions of the 911 Conspiracies. Neither is there a compelling counter to the NIST scenarios, but even if there were it would not bolster any conspiracy theory.
By analogy, and not trying to poke fun but rather to use the adsurb to make a point, showing that a muder suspect was definitivly 1000 miles from the scene of the murder at the ToD would not make any contention that extra-terrestrials were responsible any more valid than it was when the original suspect was investigated by the Police.

ETA: I see that the conversation has moved to the discussion of "molten steel" and I see several instances of 'debunkers' asking by what method any molten metal was determined to actually be steel and not some other metal. On this last page however there is no compelling response top the inquiry. Pictures of semi-solid chunks does NOT constitute a metod of showing that there was molten steel.
 
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tmd2_1 said:
uhhhh no since there was no testing done on the metal in that sample ETA I meant pictures....what would that suggest. Look at this and tell me you aren't pretty convinced there was molten steel.
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I am not a metallurgist, chemist or engineer. I have no experience in identifying metals. I have never worked in a forge. It would be pathetic of me to suggest that I have the knowledge & education to look at such photographs and state with any certainty what kind of metal they are.

Why do I say this? Because I care about the truth.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Because it would have been steel, and they wouldn't want the results to show that. Pretty simple.
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Stundie nomination. Wait so you know it was steel because it would have been steel? Wow...thats a gem.

TMD shown us a reference of U shaped steel columns from the WTC yet? Yeah...didn't think so.

tmd2_1 said:
Show me a report of any other metal that was molten.
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I see so until we provide evidence that it wasn't steel (which we did) we should assume it was? Must be a highly intellectual crowd you hang with.

TMD if you are capable of doing what you claim to you should take your x ray diffracting eye sight and be out solving crimes or performing chemical analysis for a university. It would save tons of money. Stop wasting your time here.
 
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Dayan81 said:
How is stating that lack of testing & evidence is actually evidence for a claim?

How is your clear habit of baseless speculation an honest way of seeking the truth?
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That wasn't directed at you...he knows full well what he is all about.
 
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NoahFence said:
YOU ARE going through this again. Because you have YET to give me a link that even suggests from the mainstream media that they're alive.

That was YOUR suggestion. YOU need to prove it. You haven't done so yet.
The link YOU provided, had other links to CNN. YOU suggest these prove it.


I. HAVE. READ. THEM. ALL.

Can I get that into your thick skull?

NONE of them suggest what YOU say they do. So you need to go to that link, rifle through it, and provide for us the SPECIFIC LINK that deals with the terrorists being alive.

If you can't do that, deal with the fact that we KNOW you're a liar. Or "typical truther". Same thing.

Which. Link?
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Go here strangely many of the linked mainstream sources no longer exist...coincidence? But here is one that the page is still up. http://911review.org/Wget/members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm

http://allafrica.com/stories/200109240325.html
 
"Lack of testing proves what the tests would have found".

I'm sorry, but when we have statements like this its clear that the debate is over.

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dafydd said:
'A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed to determine what risk, if any, is presented to existing steel structures exposed to severe and long-burning fires.'

Fires caused by planes crashing into the buildings.
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I tried tmd2_1,but you ignored it.
 
Dayan81 said:
I am not a metallurgist, chemist or engineer. I have no experience in identifying metals. I have never worked in a forge. It would be pathetic of me to suggest that I have the knowledge & education to look at such photographs and state with any certainty what kind of metal they are.

Why do I say this? Because I care about the truth.
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It sounds like we may be having a bit of a break through...keep researching...I know it is not easy to take...keep researching though. Don't take any one's word for anything...including mine...look things up yourself you may be surprised. Look up Frank Greening...he was an engineer who staunchly supported the official story, and now has serious questions about it. One more clip..here is Leslie Robertson saying there was molten steel...and then denying he ever said it later....ask yourself why would he do that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLCwq3-RzZs
 
Dayan81 said:
"Lack of testing proves what the tests would have found".

I'm sorry, but when we have statements like this its clear that the debate is over.

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I didn't say prove...I said is evidence. For example imagine it is a conspiracy...would those who did it want the testing done...of course not...that's the point I was trying to make. If it was aluminum I think there would be more about it...that's all I am saying.
 
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