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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

ApolloGnomon said:
You said the fire would go out. I said the fire had other sources of oxygen, and used the phrase "reducing atmosphere" to describe fire where there's plenty fo heat but not much oxygen so oxygen atoms get stripped off other molecules. Like gypsum, which is drywall, of which there was plenty and it's surface area had been increased during the collapse.

The fire didn't go out when the building collapsed. Glowing metal does not equal molten metal. There were plenty of sources of combustion fuel in the well-homogenized remains of the towers.

You can only do so much, but you are flailing about in all directions rather than keeping your contentions focussed. That's causing more conversations, not having more of us than there are you.
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Yeah look at the posts....I think there are many more of you, then me....I don't know I find it hard to believe it would last for so long under those conditions. with all the water being dumped on it wouldn't that dry out the dry wall and everything? Still not sure why those fires kept going...sorry if I'm a little short have to go.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I have to leave for now.. I can't keep posting as much as I have it's just not physically possible. I will check to see if there is anything new, from time to time. It can be seen as nothing but complete victory for my initial post.

Most of the "debunking" claims were laughable. WTC 7 early reporting was an accident? Lloyde England was taken out of context...those mean bullies at CIT deceived us all. Aziz was no big deal...you know just waltzing into the studio..like you walk through a grocery store with a piece of the "plane" All the while he was photographed somewhere else at the time...no big deal though? For molten steel...I proved there were pictures. I was told it was cladding let no one could produce and report or picture of cladding melting. Showed aluminum looks different then steel when melted. Showed the deceptive tactics used by some...of showing a molted metal glowing right after it's been heated...and it all looks the same...so how can one tell. Proved what Robertson said, and asked the interesting question of why he felt the need to deny it later. In essence it did nothing but to prove there was molten steel even more. And those were just some of my points. If someone has a picture or report of cladding I'd love to see it but as of now I can't see how it can be viewed as anything but total victory.
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is it your theory that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes a fact? all the above were answered well beyond reasonable doubt.
 
Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read
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Isn't it time to change the title of this thread? tmd2 has shown he simply has no grasp of what reasonable doubt is, so the whole thing is moot.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Yeah look at the posts....I think there are many more of you, then me....I don't know I find it hard to believe it would last for so long under those conditions.
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so what, who would care what you believe?

with all the water being dumped on it wouldn't that dry out the dry wall
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how would water dry out dry wall???? you are making no sense (again:rolleyes:)
and everything? Still not sure why those fires kept going...
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then why are you saying that that means something??????? if you don't understand why debris fires might burn for months even year then why don't you go find out why. Its not difficult.


sorry if I'm a little short have to go.
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A little short of what? brains? no need to apologise for that, its not your fault.
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sheeplesnshills said:
so what, who would care what you believe?

how would water dry out dry wall???? you are making no sense (again:rolleyes:)

then why are you saying that that means something??????? if you don't understand why debris fires might burn for months even year then why don't you go find out why. Its not difficult.





A little short of what? brains? no need to apologise for that, its not your fault.
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Back for one quick second...because I realized what I said...I had dry wall on my mind. The water would be making the dry wall wet..so not sure how that would contribute to the fire.
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tmd2_1 said:
Back for one quick second...because I realized what I said...I had dry wall on my mind. The water would be making the dry wall wet..so not sure how that would contribute to the fire.
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Can you describe how to get water on drywall buried 80 feet under a pile of rubble?
 
tmd2_1 said:
Yeah look at the posts....I think there are many more of you, then me....I don't know I find it hard to believe it would last for so long under those conditions.
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Yet your the one that came to a skeptics forum to instigate and continued to do so and then you sit there like a little narcissist claiming some bizarre victory like you've accomplished something by doing this... Gee :rolleyes:
 
tmd2_1 said:
I have to leave for now.. I can't keep posting as much as I have it's just not physically possible. I will check to see if there is anything new, from time to time. It can be seen as nothing but complete victory for my initial post.

Most of the "debunking" claims were laughable. WTC 7 early reporting was an accident? Lloyde England was taken out of context...those mean bullies at CIT deceived us all. Aziz was no big deal...you know just waltzing into the studio..like you walk through a grocery store with a piece of the "plane" All the while he was photographed somewhere else at the time...no big deal though? For molten steel...I proved there were pictures. I was told it was cladding let no one could produce and report or picture of cladding melting. Showed aluminum looks different then steel when melted. Showed the deceptive tactics used by some...of showing a molted metal glowing right after it's been heated...and it all looks the same...so how can one tell. Proved what Robertson said, and asked the interesting question of why he felt the need to deny it later. In essence it did nothing but to prove there was molten steel even more. And those were just some of my points. If someone has a picture or report of cladding I'd love to see it but as of now I can't see how it can be viewed as anything but total victory.
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Total victory? ROTFLMAO. Every time a truther turns tail and runs after having the same old crap trashed yet again they always claim victory. Pathetic.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I have to leave for now.. I can't keep posting as much as I have it's just not physically possible. I will check to see if there is anything new, from time to time. It can be seen as nothing but complete victory for my initial post.

Most of the "debunking" claims were laughable. WTC 7 early reporting was an accident? Lloyde England was taken out of context...those mean bullies at CIT deceived us all. Aziz was no big deal...you know just waltzing into the studio..like you walk through a grocery store with a piece of the "plane" All the while he was photographed somewhere else at the time...no big deal though? For molten steel...I proved there were pictures. I was told it was cladding let no one could produce and report or picture of cladding melting. Showed aluminum looks different then steel when melted. Showed the deceptive tactics used by some...of showing a molted metal glowing right after it's been heated...and it all looks the same...so how can one tell. Proved what Robertson said, and asked the interesting question of why he felt the need to deny it later. In essence it did nothing but to prove there was molten steel even more. And those were just some of my points. If someone has a picture or report of cladding I'd love to see it but as of now I can't see how it can be viewed as anything but total victory.
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AJM8125 said:
What steel beam? The steel seen in the picture is notable for the lack of melting.

[qimg]http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff387/AJM8125/Fires-burned-and-molten-steel-flowed-in-the-pile-of-ruins-still-settling-beneath-my-feet-Sarah-Atlas-Task-Force-One-Urban-Search-and-Rescue-.jpg[/qimg]
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tmd2_1,

Are you saying that the above picture shows molten steel dripping from the steel columns in the above photo?
 
waypastvne said:
I also don't see any steel beams in that photo. Those are without a doubt exterior aluminium cladding.

[qimg]http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff387/AJM8125/Fires-burned-and-molten-steel-flowed-in-the-pile-of-ruins-still-settling-beneath-my-feet-Sarah-Atlas-Task-Force-One-Urban-Search-and-Rescue-.jpg[/qimg]

A photo with sections of exterior aluminium cover panels for comparison.(ignore the red box)

[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/1.jpg[/qimg]

Cross section of the aluminium column covers. There were thousands of them on the buildings.
[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/WTC8.jpg[/qimg]
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Never mind my above post. This was the point I was going to make...
 
tmd2_1 said:
Care to explain why he would say there is molten steel and then lie about it? Does that seem suspicious to you?
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Can you tell me why the video, at 4:30, shows his quote as being "A little river of steel, flowing", leaving out the word "like" just before that?

If I said a tornado sounded LIKE a freight train, did I mean there was actually a freight train involved or was I just likening my experience to something to get my point across?
 
Gamolon said:
Can you tell me why the video, at 4:30, shows his quote as being "A little river of steel, flowing", leaving out the word "like" just before that?

If I said a tornado sounded LIKE a freight train, did I mean there was actually a freight train involved or was I just likening my experience to something to get my point across?
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This is a skit from 'Family Guy'. In this Lois always makes me think of you guys. Background: Patrick has been accused of being the fat guy strangler..

'' Brian and Lois enter Patrick's room, photos of himself strangling fat people are covering the walls].
Lois Griffin: So he has a few pictures of him strangling fat guys, that doesn't make him the fat guy strangler!
Brian Griffin: [runs over to the bed, lifts up the sheet] Oh yeah, What about the dead fat guy under his bed?
Lois Griffin: Coincidence?
Brian Griffin: What about the half-dead fat guy in the corner?
Half-dead Fat Guy: Patrick tried to kill me.
Lois Griffin: Well, maybe it's a different Patrick.''

lol
 
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Gamolon said:
Can you tell me why the video, at 4:30, shows his quote as being "A little river of steel, flowing", leaving out the word "like" just before that?

If I said a tornado sounded LIKE a freight train, did I mean there was actually a freight train involved or was I just likening my experience to something to get my point across?
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tmd2_1,when Niel Young sang 'Like A Hurricane' do you think that he was actually referring to a real hurricane? If you've never heard of Niel Young then ask your parents about him.
 
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