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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

WildCat said:
Even if there was molten steel in the pile (and there isn't any evidence there was) why would it be significant in determining what happened weeks earlier on 9/11?
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Nothing there was hot enough to melt steel.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Prove to me that is cladding. In some ways you can...look at that video I posted a noticeable difference between aluminum and steel.
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Prove to us that it is steel, given the fact that the steel beams in the WTC towers looked nothing like what we see in the picture, and that the aluminum cladding does.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Nothing there was hot enough to melt steel.
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And no steel was molten.

We can go on and on. The only way for you to move forward is to admit your ignorance or start presenting compelling evidence. No, more pictures of molten aluminum isn't compelling evidence for molten steel, nor is more quote-mined sound-bytes.
 
Here's the problem:

The average person does not understand the difference between the words "metal" and "steel". And, based on your posting history, neither do you.

To a layman, those two words are interchangeable. In most cases, this is not an issue, because it's no big deal. However, in the context of 9/11, it is critical that the two are distinguishable.

It's like calling automobile fuel or diesel fuel "gas". Most people don't care about the distinction, because they know what you are getting at. However, tell a truck driver he needs "gas" and you are likely to be verbally ripped apart.

I'll say it again...Distinction is Critical when talking about "molten metal" and "molten steel" at GZ. The word “steel” is used by folks at the site because they don’t know the difference. Did anyone ask any follow up questions? When a “witness” says they saw molten steel, did anyone bother to ask them “are you sure it was steel and not some other metal?” No. And, if they did, truthers are intentionally ignoring the answer to that question.

Same things goes for the “sounded like bombs” nonsense. No one asked a follow up question to the effect of “there were bombs in the building?” You know why? Because everyone except truthers understand the definition of the word “simile”.

Ask a large group of people what their car is made of. Nearly everyone will respond “metal” or “steel”. They don’t know the difference.

They don’t know the difference.

They don’t know the difference.

They don’t know the difference.

Trying to carry on a debate based on what people meant versus what was said is nothing but a stupid tactic and brings no relevance to the world of facts and physics.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Prove to me that is cladding. In some ways you can...look at that video I posted a noticeable difference between aluminum and steel.
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The cladding panels were U shaped. The steel members were not. This has already been explained to you.
 
tmd2_1 said:
He asked what an eyewitness could be mistaken of at the pentagon. It could have been a military plane as opposed to a commercial...simple as that.
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some just said a plane but others identified as an American Airlines 757. I would have no difficulty in doing so having spent more time in Airports and AA 757s than I care to count.

Do I know that...no...I do know the pentagon won't release more footage they clearly have, you can see the camera's pointing in that direction. But simply an example of what they could be mistaken.
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The pentagon camera were security cameras, and mostly pointed at the ground and only recorded a picture IIRC every half second or so to save space on the video tapes then used. Nowadays hardfile space is so cheap you can save high def full motion at little cost but not in 2001.

The plane was travelling at IIRC about 750ft per second and a 757b is only 155 feet long http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757so the odds of getting a clear picture were about zero from any of their cameras.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Prove to me that is cladding. In some ways you can...look at that video I posted a noticeable difference between aluminum and steel.
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We did. Your video is a of silvery aluminum yet people have posted ad nauseum here about aluminum is not always silvery when molten. You have yet to provide 1 example form the WTC of U shaped steel beams, meanwhile someone posted a schematic of the shape of the cladding. Not to mention dodging the first part of my post. Please put some clothes on, its cold and you're out of shape.

Indeed...all that's left in the TM are the mentally ill.


LOL! @ the OP title, "Reasonable".
 
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tmd2_1 said:
I can address your eye witness accounts, with back up to my first point. It seems eye witnesses are ok if they see a plane hit a pentagon...but not ok for molten steel...not ok for explosions...seems a bit odd doesn't it?
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Wow, what a mind-numbing stupid post! You think it takes some special skills to identify a plane crashing into a building?

And once again, do you have any audio of any of the collapses on 9/11 consistent with the sounds of actual controlled demolishions using expplosives? And what is it now, you're abandoning thermite in favor of explosives? :confused:

You are failing hard, perhaps you should re-evaluate your position?
 
tmd2_1 said:
I'll ask you...what was burning so hot for so many days afterward? Millions of gallons dumped. Several rain falls, and yet it was still burning. Don't say the water couldn't get to it, that means it was oxygen starved as well. Can I prove theremite can burn that long? Maybe not....but there are some who say it can (but I'm sure they are all quacks). The question is what was burning that long.
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Carpet. Carpet padding. Office cubicles. Office chairs. Computer cases. Motivational posters. Human flesh. Paint. Manuals for WindowsXP. Bibles. Laser printers. Laser printer paper. Laser printer toner. File cabinets full of paperwork. Donuts. Lean Cuisine. Dildoes. Lipstick. Tampons. Toilet paper. Bourbon. Antidepressants.

And, of course, gypsum, once the water cooked off.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Yeah I'm sure the guy who built WTC, knows nothing about what molten steel may look like.
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Why would he? I've been in the construction industry for 25 years, the only metals I ever had to melt on a job were lead and solder.

I've never heard of anyone haviong to melt steel on a construction job.
 
tmd2_1 said:
No reasonable person could conclude anything other then there was molten steel. And to think this was just one of my points.
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despite you being shown that you cannot tell molten steel form almost any other molten metal or glass? What is reasonable about still insisting it has to be steel.:confused:
Curious to as to why you think it matters either way?:confused:
 
tmd2_1 said:
Show me one picture of the cladding panels melting at all?
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ApolloGnomon said:
Carpet. Carpet padding. Office cubicles. Office chairs. Computer cases. Motivational posters. Human flesh. Paint. Manuals for WindowsXP. Bibles. Laser printers. Laser printer paper. Laser printer toner. File cabinets full of paperwork. Donuts. Lean Cuisine. Dildoes. Lipstick. Tampons. Toilet paper. Bourbon. Antidepressants.

And, of course, gypsum, once the water cooked off.
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And, of course, the remains of the unfortunate innocents who didn't make it out of there.

Dave
 
tmd2_1 said:
Go here...84 and we've seen 2

http://infowars.net/articles/may2006/170506Pentagon_videos.htm
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I see so you like the FBI's statements when they say they have no evidence for Bin Laden, but don't when they say most of the tapes show nothing. Keep cherry picking your way through reality.

tmd2_1 said:
Show me one picture of the cladding panels melting at all?
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Wait weren't you just saying the pic above was melting steel because its molten (unproven) and next to steel columns? Well you have yet to provide 1 steel column from the the WTC that is U shaped. Until then we can only assume that the metal there is Al as it corresponds with the cladding, and we have yet to see the glowing stuff is steel let alone metal. Got to love the inconsistency of truther "reasoning".
 
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uke2se said:
Prove that any of those were pointed towards the impact point or approach of the plane. Surely you're not interested in a camera monitoring passing cars or people entering and exiting doors?

Also, ditch the infowars links. That website is one of the biggest purveyors of woo on the internet.
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It says the FBI said, they have the videos..whatever you think of that site, I mean the FBI did this. If they were pointed at the ground...why not release them? It may be boring...but so what.
 
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