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Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

uke2se said:
So a Fire Commissioner isn't good enough?



No, they don't.




Possibly because it isn't molten steel.
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What? You see steel beams melting what else is it? Did you even look at it.

Your last quote I don't understand in the slightest.....what would a FOIA have to do with that...it is Robertson saying molten steel.
 
dafydd said:
Many truthers have these delusions. What could the source be?
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I have delusions? Kind of like when you forgot the test? What is my delusion. Click on the links, clear pictures of steel beams melting. Along with Robertson saying there is Molten steel.
 
tmd2_1 said:
You're argument about the passport makes no sense. The chances of a passport surviving that crash are so small, I'm not sure they can be quantified.

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When will you retract this failed claim, and the terrorists are alive lie?
 
grandmastershek said:
Wrong.

With respect to steel, looks can be deceiving. What appears to be melted may be merely oxidized. Interpret melted metals, particularly steel, with caution, and interpret the temperatures you infer from these melted metals with extreme caution. High temperatures are more likely a result of increased ventilation than of the presence of ignitable liquid residues.

A more important fallacy relied upon by fire investigators is their belief that they can determine visually if a piece of steel has melted or not. Recent studies in our laboratory indicate that it is not possible by visual examination alone whether a piece of steel has melted or merely oxidized.



And? Is an engineer supposed to be able to chemically analyze molten metal by eye sight?



Astenah-Asl also said he saw evidence of core columns buckling due to fire & supports fire induced collapse, but has never endorsed CD or inside jobby-job of any shape or color. But I bet you choose to ignore all that.
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Hey...edited that post pretty quick didn't we? Good thing I caught it before you did.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Dude...right here Leslie Robertson saying he was molten steel. It had to be obtained through a FOIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF4C6qtU_Fc
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Wow! You totally demolished my entire post by dancing around 90% of it! Not to mention I recognized it in an update; noticed you didn't address that either. Shocked.

Fact is that fire investigators know molten metals exist in fires and its not a good practice to say whats molten or oxidized, let alone identify the material. Keep dancing.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I said I saw every piece of footage that related to Lloyde, that been released. Lloyde said what he said....if you a problem...go find him and ask him. As far as hedge funds or whatever....I can't make any more clear, there was an insane amount of put options in the weeks before. So grossly above average, it's not even in the realm of possibility. Simple as that really.
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Wow, you are like aggressively ignorant of what a hedge means.
 
grandmastershek said:
Wow! You totally demolished my entire post by dancing around 90% of it! Not to mention I recognized it in an update; noticed you didn't address that either. Shocked.

Fact is that fire investigators know molten metals exist in fires and its not a good practice to say whats molten or oxidized, let alone identify the material. Keep dancing.
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Look at the videos...the pictures couldn't be any more clear...steel beams are melting.
 
grandmastershek said:
Yes, unlike truthers when new evidence arrives I have to adjust my beliefs accordingly. Some people call it science.
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If that were true, based on just the information I have in my initial post, your beliefs would change. That's only some of the evidence. I understand (this is no insult to you) coming to terms with having been lied to is not easy. It took me a while, but there is just to much evidence out there, that points to alternative theories. Don't take my word for the FBI themselves said they have no hard evidence against Bin Laden.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I have delusions? Kind of like when you forgot the test? What is my delusion. Click on the links, clear pictures of steel beams melting. Along with Robertson saying there is Molten steel.
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Robertson says he never said, what he did say. He must of figured out office fires don't usually melt steel.

Plus you have no proof of melted steel. You are posting lies and not posting evidence. Quote-mining Robertson's mistake is not evidence, is acting silly, not paying attention. Robertson made a mistake, said something wrong, and he does not agree there was melted steel. Now what do you do?

To repeat Robertson's mistake when you have been warned it was a mistake, is madness and willful ignorance.
 
tmd2_1 said:
What? You see steel beams melting what else is it? Did you even look at it.
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Sagging steel beams is not the same thing as molten steel. Words mean stuff. Learn what words mean.

tmd2_1 said:
Your last quote I don't understand in the slightest.....what would a FOIA have to do with that...it is Robertson saying molten steel.
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It doesn't matter what Robertson said or didn't say (as I think is the case). It wasn't molten steel.
 
tmd2_1 said:
If that were true, based on just the information I have in my initial post, your beliefs would change. That's only some of the evidence. I understand (this is no insult to you) coming to terms with having been lied to is not easy. It took me a while, but there is just to much evidence out there, that points to alternative theories. Don't take my word for the FBI themselves said they have no hard evidence against Bin Laden.
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Wrong...my argument's based on actual sources have showed you can't identify metals or their temps by eye sight. Your willful ignorance is not evidence. Seriously capping your post off with a non sequitur is not helping.

The FBI also investigated 9/11 and found it was Al Queda. But I bet you ignore that right? Of course.
 
uke2se said:
Sagging steel beams is not the same thing as molten steel. Words mean stuff. Learn what words mean.



It doesn't matter what Robertson said or didn't say (as I think is the case). It wasn't molten steel.
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He said a little river of steel...you clearly did not look at any of the videos. It's obvious your not open to anything. To say those beams are sagging, when they are clearly melted, takes a lot of nerve it really does. I mean it really...really does. Those beams are melted period...end of story.
 
grandmastershek said:
Wrong...my argument's based on actual sources have showed you can't identify metals or their temps by eye sight. Your willful ignorance is not evidence. Seriously capping your post off with a non sequitur is not helping.

The FBI also investigated 9/11 and found it was Al Queda. But I bet you ignore that right? Of course.
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My arguments are based on pictures of melting beams, and what the FBI actually said. No hard evidence against Bin Laden...If you have a problem take it up with them.
 
tmd2_1 said:
He said a little river of steel...you clearly did not look at any of the videos. It's obvious your not open to anything. To say those beams are sagging, when they are clearly melted, takes a lot of nerve it really does. I mean it really...really does. Those beams are melted period...end of story.
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Sadly fire investigators disagree with your methods of determination. But hey internet scholars who just repeat themselves over and over again in the face of evidence are so much more informed. It says a lot that you are just parroting BS you read online.
 
beachnut said:
Robertson says he never said, what he did say. He must of figured out office fires don't usually melt steel.

Plus you have no proof of melted steel. You are posting lies and not posting evidence. Quote-mining Robertson's mistake is not evidence, is acting silly, not paying attention. Robertson made a mistake, said something wrong, and he does not agree there was melted steel. Now what do you do?

To repeat Robertson's mistake when you have been warned it was a mistake, is madness and willful ignorance.
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Dude for the second time right here....Leslie Robertson saying there is melted steel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF4C6qtU_Fc

He can say he never said that all he wants...it's right on video.
 
tmd2_1 said:
My arguments are based on pictures of melting beams, and what the FBI actually said. No hard evidence against Bin Laden...If you have a problem take it up with them.
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Wow...just repeating yourself will make it true.

$50 says by tomorrow this thread is in AAH.
 
16.5 said:
Wow, you are like aggressively ignorant of what a hedge means.
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The NWO taxi driver lets the inside job slip. Taxi driver, secret NWO spy, super agent - driving taxi. 911 truth has 3 year old level delusions. It has to take someone with the mind of a 3 year old, the reasoning power of a 3 year old, to fall for CIT tripe.

Lloyd meant the terrorists had a plan, or the terrorists did it. How can some be dumb enough to trust and repeat the nonsense from the morons at CIT? As bad as Alex Jones.
 
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