Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

[aggle-rithm]

I have noticed that their is a lot of of talk and questions asked about "prove" an alternative theory.

No, you don't have to "prove" it. Just tell us what it is. Can you do that without looking like a complete Froot Loop? If so, you are the first.

 

[NoahFence]

The fact that his hood looks like it just come out of the assembly line, despite a light pole falling through the windshield.

The hood isn't his windshield.

 

[NoahFence]

And the powers that be are so talented, they managed to time the impact at the Pentagon exactly with when this taxi driver was to be in the proper place?

How'd they account for traffic flow? Did they program street lights to get him to a specific spot at a specific time?

 

[beachnut]

...what is your verdict?

you have fallen for the Truth Movement, a cult like movement, free yourself.

I agree, guilty.

the jury has spoken

 

[dafydd]

And the powers that be are so talented, they managed to time the impact at the Pentagon exactly with when this taxi driver was to be in the proper place?

How'd they account for traffic flow? Did they program street lights to get him to a specific spot at a specific time?

It was all directed by Hollywood producers.

 

[NoahFence]

My opinion on the passport

Wow.

Great video! I never noticed the contrails or the windows above the impact getting blown out....

 

[aggle-rithm]

The fact that his hood looks like it just come out of the assembly line, despite a light pole falling through the windshield.

!!!!!!!

Only New World Order standard issue hoods can do that!!!!

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Look at the link as it relates to stock. It explains it all..If you have a problem talk to main stream sources that published it. there's so many things bogus about Lloyde's claim, besides what he stated there. There's another example when he knows he's being video taped...he flat denies being in front of the cobblestone despite the picture clearly showing him there."

That was AFTER CIT lied to him and said that ALL other witnesses had said the plane flew over the road to the north of him. Given everything that was happening to the east of where he stood ifs it surprising that he fails to remember what a low wall looked like to the west and went along with what they said was the truth? Furthermore this is an old black man in the south being question by two white men......Lloyd would remember the days when arguing with a white man could get you killed.

The fact that his hood looks like it just come out of the assembly line, despite a light pole falling through the windshield.

Really no damage? The pole hit his windshield not the hood, destroyed the dash, the front passenger set and speared into the back seat. The car was written off. Lloyd came within inches of dying, was within feet of two jet engines at full power and close to a big blast. And you are surprised he was a bit dazed afterwards? perhaps even deafened?

Besides what leading question could possibly get him to say those things. We came over the hill together..he came over the hill with Al quaeda?..I mean really. I mean he said the rich people this is their thing...he certainly was not referring to Al Qaeda as well. His whole account casts doubt on the official story.

He is a poor man, the white, the rich and the powerful have always run his life so why would you think it strange when he says its "Their" thing????????

and CIT can easily show us what leading question led up to him saying that.....all they have to do is release the video...........

 

[WildCat]

!!!!!!!

Only New World Order standard issue hoods can do that!!!!

The NWO ninja pole planting team was under strict orders not to scratch the hood. Body shops charge a fortune!

 

[waypastvne]

Thanks Noah. 19500 cu ft of air traveling at 800 ft per sec is more than capable of carrying a passport through the building.

Here are some better photos of the vapour trail.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

It was all directed by Hollywood producers.

you would think they would got some good 3D shots though.......

 

[The Big Dog]

Look at the link as it relates to stock. It explains it all..If you have a problem talk to main stream sources that published it.

I've looked at the freaking link.

What I am telling you is that the freaking sources you are citing are freaking incomplete.

The puts were investigated and the majority were found to be 1. part of a hedge by an institutional investor; 2. or subscribers to an option newsletter that recommended the puts.

But you don't see what the significance of the hedge is. Quite frankly, I get the feeling you are not smart enough to figure it out even if I explained it to you.

For example, I already pointed out that the CIT boys refused to release the actual raw video with Lloyde in it. So you have not seen it, so stop wasting our freaking time.

 

[CompusMentus]

Here are some better photos of the vapour trail

Really good work there!

Your video is one of the best I've seen for explaining certain aspects of the physics of 9/11. It's refreshingly well presented and in a very accessible style.

Please keep it up! Blows the nose-out and passport nonsense once and for all.

Thanks

 

[beachnut]

You're argument about the passport makes no sense. The chances of a passport surviving that crash are so small, I'm not sure they can be quantified.

As for the second part...and I answered this already...go here all is referenced with MSM sites.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...hijackers.html

False, in high speed aircraft crashes many thing come out as if they were not in a crash. The low mass of a passport makes it a big candidate for survival in a high speed crash. When my car crashed and was totaled, all the paper survived and was not destroyed. When a U-2 crashed and burned, the checklist (paper booklets) survived. I have investigated aircraft crashes, many things survive expected from the impact and avoiding the fire.

You are taking things you don't understand and have no experienced or knowledge of, and making up delusional nonsense. Not trained as an aircraft investigator? You have no knowledge what is normal, and unless you start thinking for yourself and gain knowledge you will remain in one of the dumbest movements.

 

[Sabretooth]

Here’s my question:

What specific point about 9/11 are your trying to discredit or cast “reasonable doubt” upon?

The OP is a train-wreck to read, but I’m gathering you’re trying to get OBL off the hook.

But here’s the thing: OBL himself admitted responsibility in a neutral setting. Meaning, it wasn’t coerced, tricked, or tortured out of him. Your “defense” is in trouble right off the bat. The best you could maybe do at this point is plea insanity.

Another thing…he would be tried as a conspirator, as he didn’t personally fly the planes. He is a well known leader of AQ, he has issued several fatwa’s against the USA, and he left funding trails to the hijackers. Now you’re really in hot water.

Let’s play courtroom, shall we? Granted, I’m no lawyer…so maybe someone (LashL) can correct any errors I might make?

So here we are, in court, and your first argument is:

1. Lloyd admits to being “in on it”.
- Objection. Even if this were remotely true, how does this disconnect OBL from the attack? Is this truther video an actual confession that he was “in on it”? No. He’s just some taxi driver who was in the wrong place at the wrong time…Your honor; strike that defense from the record. Strike one. Next.


2. Aziz El Hallan got a piece of FL77.
- Objection. So what? How does this disconnect OBL from the attack? Despite the few minutes difference between where he said he was versus the TV station, there is no reason to disbelieve his story or reasons for being there. Objection stands. Strike two. Next.


3. Early report of WTC 7 collapse.
- Objection. Considering the countless errors the media makes on a daily basis (and especially on 9/11), this can, by no means, be used to absolve OBL from the attacks. There were many errors made that day (ex: Delta 1989)…and considering that firefighters had mentioned that WTC7 was in danger of collapse, having the BBC report that it did collapse is not such a stretch of the imagination that they were incorrect. It cannot be considered as hard “evidence” to absolve OBL. Objection stands. Strike three. Next.

4. UA175 reported as still flying.
- Objection. This little youtube piece means nothing. We all know where UA175 ended up, as evidenced by countless video angles and radar data. Even if that grainy video does really read as “UAL 175” is still in the air, the real evidence clearly disputes that. Nothing about this piece absolves OBL. Objection stands. Strike four. Next.

5. John Gross lied.
5a. Witnesses to the “molten steel”.
- Objection part 1. For this argument to hold any weight, you would have to prove Gross was lying and in a specific context. There was no “molten steel” documented at the GZ site at any point during the rescue operation or during the cleanup process. Assumptions of Gross’ motivation do not absolve OBL.
- Objection part 2. Unless you can produce affidavits of said witnesses that are qualified to make such statements, then this argument is equally useless. Objections stand. Strike five and 5a. Next.

6. OBL not on the FBI wanted list.
- Objection. This has no bearing on proceedings and/or the ability to prosecute OBL. Plainly, if it were, then anyone brought to trial that isn’t a part of that list could use it as a defense. Everyone and their grandmother knew that OBL was #1 on the list of people the USA wanted to capture. Just because the FBI doesn’t specifically mention him, it doesn’t absolve him of any criminal activity. Objection stands. Strike six. Next.

7. Mysterious sulfur not tested by NIST, et al.
- Objection. Once again, this has zero to do with OBL. This would be objected straight outta court as irrelevant to the case. Objection stands. Strike seven. Next.

8. Some hijackers are still alive.
- Objection. Unless there is proof of your statement (and I mean proof, not some woo website and youtube nonsense), this couldn’t even be brought into the courtroom. You have to produce evidence to back up a claim if you want it considered as a defense. Objection stands. Strike eight. Next.

9. Insider trading.
- Objection. Was OBL doing the trading? No? Objection stands. Strike nine. Next.

10. Israeli behavior.
- Objection. Was OBL dancing in the streets of Manhattan? Where, on God’s green earth, does the actions of these folk have to do with OBL? Oh, that’s right…nothing. Objection stands. Strike ten. Next.

11. Ceecee Lyles recording.
- Objection. For two reasons. Number one, the guy admits to editing the damn recording! Number two, if that’s not good enough, any “anomalies” on the tape are most likely the result of magnetic tape artifacts, which is absolutely common. Objection stands on number one alone. Strike eleven. Next.

12. “Strange” behavior of Boeing.
- Objection. Boeing has no right or qualification to comment on national security matters, especially during an ongoing investigation. Further, seeing that the only places that identify this as an issue is a woo website, the credibility of such arguments is an auto-fail. Objection stands. Strike twelve. Next.



So, this round of “throw **** at the wall” washed up rather well and ended in complete failure. Next.

 

[Athyrio]

Wow.

Great video! I never noticed the contrails or the windows above the impact getting blown out....

Same here. I had never seen that video before and thanks for it, waypastvne. I have filed it.

As for the OP, when I saw this evidence beginning with Lloyde England, I quit reading and skipped to the replies. It's just not worth the time anymore and the feeble attempts at trying to present such arguments to generate reasonable doubt isn't even laughable.

Thanks again for the vid.

 

[tmd2_1]

Thanks Noah. 19500 cu ft of air traveling at 800 ft per sec is more than capable of carrying a passport through the building.

Here are some better photos of the vapour trail.
[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/Capture765copycopy-1.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/Capture765copycopy-2.jpg[/qimg]

Listen we can go around in circles forever about this. We will just have to agree to disagree. I did not put this on the list I made and decremented.

 

[Edx]

Listen we can go around in circles forever about this. We will just have to agree to disagree. I did not put this on the list I made and decremented.

hey man, was this a conspiracy as well?

Note of Doom Found in PSA Jet Wreckage : Message Apparently Written by Fired USAir Employee Supports FBI's Theory of Vengeance
http://articles.latimes.com/1987-12-11/news/mn-18992_1_fbi-agents

 

[Edx]

5. John Gross lied.
5a. Witnesses to the “molten steel”.
- Objection part 1. For this argument to hold any weight, you would have to prove Gross was lying and in a specific context. There was no “molten steel” documented at the GZ site at any point during the rescue operation or during the cleanup process. Assumptions of Gross’ motivation do not absolve OBL.
- Objection part 2. Unless you can produce affidavits of said witnesses that are qualified to make such statements, then this argument is equally useless. Objections stand. Strike five and 5a. Next.

AND>...Objection part 3...

Witness' reporting molten steel is completely unremarkable in a fire.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7245579&postcount=13

 

[uke2se]

Listen we can go around in circles forever about this. We will just have to agree to disagree. I did not put this on the list I made and decremented.

Do you feel that you have presented an equal amount of evidence to support your argument that waypastvne has to support his?