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Merged Not a mass suicide. Electrotherapy via railroad tracks.

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http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/02/7227603-desperate-sick-indonesians-lie-across-railroad-tracks-as-therapy

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Like the nearly dozen others lined up along the track, the 50-year-old diabetes patient has all but given up on doctors and can't afford the expensive medicines they prescribe.

In her mind, she has only one option left: electric therapy.

"I'll keep doing this until I'm completely cured," said Mulyati, twitching visibly as an oncoming passenger train sends an extra rush of current racing through her body.

First of all: There's a current flow in standard railroad tracks? :confused:

Second: It makes you wonder what exactly convinces them that electric current will cure them. On the one hand, at least this doesn't appear to be the same sort of woo peddling that alt-med practitioners charge for; these patients just go lie down on some tracks. On the other hand, woo is woo, and this is not only not doing them any good, it's exposing them to potential harm. I'm sure anyone but the least agile can get out of the way of an oncoming train, but what other dangers are they exposed to laying there with a train passing? If rocks or other debris are kicked up in passing, that can lead to serious injury, and that's not an impossible scenario.

Still, though, going back to what would motivate them: It's an open question in my mind what sort of mentality thinks that, just because it's an odd sensation that an experience is actually therapeutic. But that's exactly what the placebo effect is, right? People convincing themselves that the treatment is having a positive effect? Even in the absence of objective measurements of such?

Anyway, I'm not really asking that many questions outright about this issue (rather than what in the world could be causing the current on what appears to not be a set of electric train tracks... induction from the sheer mass of the train, perhaps?). I'm more posting this for casual, random discussion about self-therapy and people convincing themselves that it has a real effect. You wonder if part of what drives that is the fact that they feel "something" happening. Or if the cultural "meme" about electric current having curative powers is really that strong in that country, and possibly in other places. Or if this is actually part desperation at the lack of actual cures to chronic problems. Anyway: Discuss! :)
 
First of all: There's a current flow in standard railroad tracks? :confused:

I think they sometimes use a low voltage difference between the rails for signaling purposes. The wheels and axles complete the circuit which lets the signal system know that particular stretch of track is occupied.

Steve S
 
I think they sometimes use a low voltage difference between the rails for signaling purposes. The wheels and axles complete the circuit which lets the signal system know that particular stretch of track is occupied.

Steve S

Correct. Also, each rail is a continuous circuit, the breaking of which sets signals to red on that section of the line. This protects against rail breaks, sabotage (when the saboteur does not know to wire the circuit up before breaking the rail,) and washouts.

But the voltage involved is only 18v at a couple amps if I recall correctly.

How damning to us as a nation is it that we have people trying things like this because they cannot afford the medicine they need to stay alive?
 
I think they sometimes use a low voltage difference between the rails for signaling purposes. The wheels and axles complete the circuit which lets the signal system know that particular stretch of track is occupied.

Steve S
Correct. Also, each rail is a continuous circuit, the breaking of which sets signals to red on that section of the line. This protects against rail breaks, sabotage (when the saboteur does not know to wire the circuit up before breaking the rail,) and washouts.

But the voltage involved is only 18v at a couple amps if I recall correctly.

How damning to us as a nation is it that we have people trying things like this because they cannot afford the medicine they need to stay alive?
Ah. Good. Thanks for the explanation, fellas. I appreciate it.

And also: This is happening over in Indonesia. Still, though, the point does remain. Personally, I'm as much if not more flabbergasted that there's this mindset of credulity regarding such woo-ish ideas. But I also see your point about availability/affordability.

I'm betting they feel a vibration and assume it is electricity
I was thinking that myself, but apparently that's not the case, given the above responses.

Someone please tell me this is a joke?
I was thinking this too when I first saw the picture. But no: Not a joke. Unfortunately. :(
 
Oh goodness. You have got to be kidding. :boggled:
 
Second: It makes you wonder what exactly convinces them that electric current will cure them
As you yourself said, woo is woo. Alternative medicine is really simple, come up with some stupid concept no one has thought of before, and collect or invent anecdotes from people claiming they've been healed. Then use typical rhetoric like "what do you have to lose" and "if you don't believe this you're narrow-minded". The icing on the cake is a page of technobabble, preferrably with references to quantum mechanics. In this case, someone probably saw pictures of the planking fad and thought, hey, I can make a buck out of that!

Edit: that's the really sad thing about woo and conspiracy theories. They all use the same "foundation" of fallacies and misleading rhetoric, so if people were just taught to recognize these when they saw them, 99% of scammers would find themselves on very thin ice (at least until they caught up and invented new ways to cheat people). Sadly, the same people who promote altmed and CTs are also, as would be expected, very good at opposing proper instruction in critical thinking.
 
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If its only 18V, whats with the people using insulation between themselves and the track? Such as a sock or rag?
 
How damning to us as a nation is it that we have people trying things like this because they cannot afford the medicine they need to stay alive?

Oh, I didn't know you were Indonesian. Do you have any further information about the governmental chaos the article mentions? It's not surprising that the state-sponsored health care system would be suffering in such trying times.
 
Sooner or later one of them won't get off the track in time. It's inevitable. But I have a better solution...

If they want to get a cheap electric tingle, they could take the transformer out of a plug-pack (AC adapter), connect the low-voltage side to the speaker-output of a stereo and the high-voltage side to themselves.

Then they just have to adjust the volume to adjust the level of electric shock. And they can get shocked to the sound of their favorite music in the comfort and safety of their own homes without risking being crushed by a train and delaying hundreds of passengers.

Actually, a decent stereo system should have speaker-voltages high enough to cause mild electric shock without needing a step-up transformer. So all they need is some speaker wire and a stereo system.
 
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Railway Therapy!

I just saw this reported on ABC 24.

It is a strange alt-med therapy. There are people lying down on train tracks while a train approaches and getting out of the way just in time. They believe that this cures various ailments, for some reason to do with electricity.

It is reported that people who try it swear by its efficacy. More than 50 would do it at the Rawa Buaya tracks every day until recently, when warning signs with threats of punishment were erected. A dozen people still do it.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...dxa1Nw?docId=0e5c096739dd497b846d274a7f44f978

There is a video here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14381928
 
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:boggled:

Lie down for long enough and it'll cure every ailment you've ever had or could have.








Except death.
 
Is it too mean-spirited to suggest that there's a distinct possibility of a gene-pool cleanse here?
 
Aren't there much safer ways to get a little electric jolt into your body if you think that makes a difference?

I can imagine though that you would feel pretty awesome for a while afterwards just given the adrenal rush you'd experience after almost being run over by a train.
 

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