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tmd2_1 said:
Unbelievable did you read what I said. He said there are videos..pictures...not Tully or anyone else said that there videos. It simply says he said there are videos...I mean I don't know what else to say I really don't.
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As I said, not surprising. If you take second hand quotes from unreliable sources as gospel, then it isn't any wonder that 9/11 is busting your hump.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I was talking about the planes that hit the buildings square.
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In other words you have a problem with the idea that the plane which hit the Pentagon did so while keeping "level." In other words, a very low angle of incline so close to the ground. This is the way you meant, no? Wrong or not, you should clarify this if people are misreading.

Secondly, I don't think that's any indication all. Steering the plane is relatively easy compared with landing and takeoff, neither of which are skills the hijacker needed to crash it. He was also aiming at a large target, visible from a considerable distance.

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I provided my own reasons as to why hitting the WTC the way they did...would be quite hard. I never said any of this was impossible.
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Regarding the WTC, the plane nearly missed WTC 2; the hijacker had to adjust last second to hit it. Again, a large visible target is relatively easy to hit and a pilot whose not concerned about more advanced maneuvers isn't concerned with whether or not he's good at piloting.

You've provided conjecture that you claim to be circumstantial evidence of remote control. At best, you've done very little even for that. I'm not sure what he air liner not willing to comment on the plane is supposed to indicate about the likelihood of remote controlling it, you never mentioned the significance. The Hijacker's skill levels didn't need to be advanced to accomplish what they did, so I'm not sure what poor flight skills are supposed to indicate either... they didn't exactly care, they were training to fly only once.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Yeah keep telling yourself things like that.
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That's nice. Hey, so I've been gone a bit. I read through the posts. I notice you never established that there explosives at the WTC or that any agents of the Israeli or US governments were tied to planting explosives at the WTC.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
In other words you have a problem with the idea that the plane which hit the Pentagon did so while keeping "level." In other words, a very low angle of incline so close to the ground. This is the way you meant, no? Wrong or not, you should clarify this if people are misreading.

Secondly, I don't think that's any indication all. Steering the plane is relatively easy compared with landing and takeoff, neither of which are skills the hijacker needed to crash it. He was also aiming at a large target, visible from a considerable distance.


Regarding the WTC, the plane nearly missed WTC 2; the hijacker had to adjust last second to hit it. Again, a large visible target is relatively easy to hit and a pilot whose not concerned about more advanced maneuvers isn't concerned with whether or not he's good at piloting.

You've provided conjecture that you claim to be circumstantial evidence of remote control. At best, you've done very little even for that. I'm not sure what he air liner not willing to comment on the plane is supposed to indicate about the likelihood of remote controlling it, you never mentioned the significance. The Hijacker's skill levels didn't need to be advanced to accomplish what they did, so I'm not sure what poor flight skills are supposed to indicate either... they didn't exactly care, they were training to fly only once.
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Yes that is what I meant. See this article about Hani's poor flying skills and the difficulty of what he did. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hanjour.html

As far as Boeing...it is a little puzzling to me why they would make a statement like citing reasons of national security we can't comment about 175.

In terms of how it could be done (getting to remote control a 757/767 that is) look at this article http://911review.org/brad.com/blog/Physics911=56.html

Yes I've said it is all circumstantial....But you have a potential main perp, the pentagon comptroller who hA both access to 767's and remote control software (all explained in that 2nd article)...it seems suspicious to me. Take this for what it is...I believe this along with other evidence points to an alternative theory, you are free to believe what you want.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Unbelievable did you read what I said. He said there are videos..pictures...not Tully or anyone else said that there videos. It simply says he said there are videos...I mean I don't know what else to say I really don't.
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These claims are addressed to death... they're years old. At best, the claims of molten metal would apply only to classes of aluminum, lead or other types with low melting points that fall within the normal ranges recorded onsite at the time. And thermite burns off far too quickly for anything like melted steel to be sustained for long periods of time (certainly not months after the fact). Seeing as most witness can't be expected to be metallurgists, nor able to eyeball this stuff, it's a moot point.
 
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DeathDart said:
Look at the picture of the situation room during the Osama Bin Laden raid. That picture is of a room full of Americans, some of whom also happen to be Jewish.

America First
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Please show evidence that ties agents of the Israeli government to the 9/11 attacks. Can you place agents at the scene placing explosives?
 
Craig4 said:
That's nice. Hey, so I've been gone a bit. I read through the posts. I notice you never established that there explosives at the WTC or that any agents of the Israeli or US governments were tied to planting explosives at the WTC.
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I tried my best...if you don't want to accept it that's up to you. I mean to me at least 60 Israelis being arrested in the months after 9/11 is suspicious. Ask yourself this...you had a crime the magnitude of 9/11 and not a single arrest was made in the country it was committed? Seems strange to me at least.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Yeah keep telling yourself things like that.
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After five years of the same old song, don't be surprised if folks dismiss you and your assertions out of hand when you're encountered.

I only come in this forum for laughs, not discussion.

Thanks for the laughs.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
These claims are addressed to death... they're years old. At best, the claims of molten metal would apply only to classes of aluminum, lead or other types with low melting points that fall within the normal ranges recorded onsite at the time. And thermite burns off far too quickly for anything like melted steel to be sustained for long periods of time (certainly not months after the fact). Seeing as most witness can't be expected to be metallurgists, nor able to eyeball this stuff, it's a moot point.
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Check out these videos by Jon Cole....if you don't like his results prove him wrong by experiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvQDFV1HINw&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g&feature=relmfu
 
tmd2_1 said:
I tried my best...if you don't want to accept it that's up to you. I mean to me at least 60 Israelis being arrested in the months after 9/11 is suspicious. Ask yourself this...you had a crime the magnitude of 9/11 and not a single arrest was made in the country it was committed? Seems strange to me at least.
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What were they doing? Tie them to the attacks.
 
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BStrong said:
After five years of the same old song, don't be surprised if folks dismiss you and your assertions out of hand when you're encountered.

I only come in this forum for laughs, not discussion.

Thanks for the laughs.
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No problem anytime...glad I could help you guys out.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I tried my best...if you don't want to accept it that's up to you. I mean to me at least 60 Israelis being arrested in the months after 9/11 is suspicious. Ask yourself this...you had a crime the magnitude of 9/11 and not a single arrest was made in the country it was committed? Seems strange to me at least.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui
 
Craig4 said:
What were they doing? Tie them to the attacks.
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I can't there's reports that agents were living near the hijackers spying on them etc...etc....I admit it's all circumstantial...The only one's I can tie are the 5 dancing Israels, I know it's all circumstantial, but I mean there is an awful lot of it...after a while you have to ask yourself..is it really all just a circumstance.
 
tmd2_1 said:
I can't there's reports that agents were living near the hijackers spying on them etc...etc....I admit it's all circumstantial...The only one's I can tie are the 5 dancing Israels, I know it's all circumstantial, but I mean there is an awful lot of it...after a while you have to ask yourself..is it really all just a circumstance.
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What were they dancing about?
 
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