Why don't Atheists run amok?

Illiterate, eh?

Yes, I was making a joke. I'm atheist and when I was a Lutheran, the bible wasn't emphasized overmuch so I really have no idea why they would have written it down if it was, in fact, God-given to every human being. I don't think the theists on JREF have answered it either.
 
Yes, I was making a joke. I'm atheist and when I was a Lutheran, the bible wasn't emphasized overmuch so I really have no idea why they would have written it down if it was, in fact, God-given to every human being. I don't think the theists on JREF have answered it either.

I do hope someone would try to answer it.

Just so we know that at least one theist knows their stuff.
 
How else would have the illiterate commoners have received the wisdom of what's already there?
I'm not sure how that answers the question either but that's fine. It might just be me. I'll move on. Thanks.

ETA: See next post.
 
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Yes, I was making a joke. I'm atheist and when I was a Lutheran, the bible wasn't emphasized overmuch so I really have no idea why they would have written it down if it was, in fact, God-given to every human being. I don't think the theists on JREF have answered it either.
Actually, that helps. :) Never mind.
 
Sorry guys! I should have put a smiley in there somewhere to let you know I was kidding.

Again for the record, I agree with RandFan and Bram; the recent thread of DOC's really emphasized that his statements of morality being written on the hearts of humans is vague, unsatisfactory, and ultimately seems to depend on moral relativity.

As far as the OP is concerned, human beings can occasionally "run amok" no matter if they're theist or atheist or non-theist or anti-theist or pantheist.
 
As far as the OP is concerned, human beings can occasionally "run amok" no matter if they're theist or atheist or non-theist or anti-theist or pantheist.

Well, the OP wasn't genuine in wanting an answer, since the OP is himself an atheist.

The question was probably aimed at theists, who are usually the kind of people to accuse atheists of immorality.
 
Sorry guys! I should have put a smiley in there somewhere to let you know I was kidding.
It's difficult because their is no analog to telling many jokes with voice. There is no timing. Often you need someone to stew for a second or two before you let them know you are kidding. I often choose not to use a smilie and get in trouble for it.
 
Awright! Woot! Where?


Oh, sorry. I was just reading the Tam9 threads and thought I was still there. I read the thread title as an Invitation. I'd envisioned that Rebecca got tired of all the serious posturing and was taking Skepchicks back to their original PARTY platform.



Carry on. I think we were on Omaha Beach. Was that like the 14th Crusade? The Pope got King George to get all his loyal believers together to ally with those staunch believers in Russia and return the atheistic Germans back to the one true church.

I can't say I've actually ever heard that interpretation of the historical significance of WWII before. Has Ricky Perry mandated that this be taught in Junior High in Lubbock, yet?
 
Oh, sorry. I was just reading the Tam9 threads and thought I was still there. I read the thread title as an Invitation. I'd envisioned that Rebecca got tired of all the serious posturing and was taking Skepchicks back to their original PARTY platform.
Objectification of women by women via a calendar 'sok. Asking women out for coffee and taking "no" for an answer, not so much.
 
OK. Long post. But it is not easy to explain with few words.

The lowest level of morality is morality by consequence. Things are considered good or bad based on whether or not they hurt the person. A child touches a hot stove and gets burned, so touching a stove is bad. When reaching into the cookie jar, his mother slaps his hand and he learns that is bad because he will get slapped. A boy comes home late and has video game privileges taken away. A girl is caught telling a lie and is scolded or loses friends. A man robs somebody and goes to jail. These people want to do these things, and would do these things if there were no consequences.

The next level of morality is morality by authority. Things are considered good or bad based on established rules. This means that if you would be punished if you were caught, it is bad even if you know you can get away with it. Everybody is expected to live by the rules all the time, and not just when there will necessarily be consequences. This is where religion comes in. A tribe follows rules set by a tribal leader. People look to elders for guidance on how to behave. A shaman explains illness and magical warfare and spirits. Spirits and magic establish taboos for what is bad (as well as rituals for what is good). Things can be good or bad based on whether or not you follow the rules set by spirits, as they are told by authorities. Appeasing a spirit brings fortune. A sacrifice to a god brings advantage in war. Following the rules of God brings salvation and everlasting life. These people consider things bad based on the established rules.

The next level of morality is morality by empathetic social accord. Things are considered good or bad based on what produces the best society for everyone. This is based on a collective “morality by natural consequence”. It is a morality established by what hurts each individual person. This creates a collective morality. Individual morality is part of an unwritten agreement to respect what hurts another person and creates a better social environment for everyone. It is simply not hurting somebody else (even if it benefits you and you can get away with it, and irrespective of any established laws) because you understand that by hurting that person you contribute to a collective social accord of harm that may then result in others harming you in a similar way (even if they are not caught, and even if there is no law against it).

Theists often argue that without religion (morality by authority), atheists must adhere only to morality by consequence and will do what ever they want (if they think they can get away with it).

A society with only morality by consequence is probably best represented by most young children and many people in maximum security prison (or perhaps gangs as well). These people are selfish and try to get away with anything they can for their own advantage. These people have a moral understanding that this the best method of getting what they want. But in every case, these are not pleasant societies to live in—even for the people at the top. But most people (even atheists) don’t accepts this simplistic morality and live like this.

Most atheists (and even many theists) actually live by morality by empathetic social accord. There was a post in the Community forums by someone who found something valuable in a gas station parking lot and would have turned it into the station manager except that she knew he would keep it for himself so she kept it. That line of reasoning can only be explained by the third level of morality described above.

Atheists don’t run amok. And it is not necessary because they fear the personal consequences of their actions. It may because of a morality that is even more sophisticated and more genuine and more valuable to society than a morality by religious authority.
 
It's difficult because their is no analog to telling many jokes with voice. There is no timing. Often you need someone to stew for a second or two before you let them know you are kidding. I often choose not to use a smilie and get in trouble for it.
That's a joke, right?









































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