Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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"did you threaten Google with a knife or what?"

I don't know him. The frist time I met him was in the courtroom.
 
RoseMontague said:
The good news is that this gives K&K more time to complete the translation of the C&V report, in time for the expert testimony. I think the bad news is having to wait and to also read elsewhere how ms steffi will destroy her opposition on the stand.

The bibliography thing was pretty much ignored today and the judge prevented questioning of the independent expert's qualifications (possible grounds for appeal to the SC?).
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Yes, I'm having mixed feelings after today. The other site is definitely a little bit delusional when it comes to Stefanoni destroying the report, but still, I just don't feel that very much optimistic about the outcome, don't know why, though. Wonder what Bruce will say of today's hearing, also waiting for Frank's new piece.

Don't know if he prevented questioning for that particular reason, but for sure, he tried to keep it clean and neat. At least to the point, where he agreed to the request of having Stefanoni on the stand.

It just buggs me that we have to wait almost whole month for yet another regular court hearing, where the prosecution will continue their quest to keep A and R in jail. I thought it would just go smooth from now on.

Anyone know how long will it take? It was bound to be a last court hearing today, but as we know, it wasn't. Therefore, the whole trial is extended...I'm annoyed.
 
bolint said:
"did you threaten Google with a knife or what?"

I don't know him. The frist time I met him was in the courtroom.
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Well, thanks for the update in any case. I get the impression from this case that journalism does not hold to the same standards as when I was involved in that end of things.

From a pro-guilt standpoint (I realize you believe just in involvement rather than participation), what did you think of today's hearing from the news we have heard so far?
 
That's all a bit anticlimactic. Is it just me who's really frustrated that the section of this trial dealing with the DNA report couldn't be finished off on Monday, as originally scheduled? Then they could get straight into the next phase as soon as they resume at the end of August. Although I've been really encouraged by the ferocity of the C&V report, and the positive press coverage that's come with it, I'm still kinda worried about the verdict. It seems to me that all of this (Curalato's testimony being rubbish, the processes of scientific investigation severely flawed) was fairly obvious the first time around, and it makes me worried that we'll again be looking at another insane motivation document full of hand-waving, face-saving and double-think.
Part of me wishes that they's take the time to sort out all of the ToD ridiculousness, look at what happened to the hard-drives properly (and whether the defense's claims of a computer-based alibi are robust), so that any argument that they got out on a technicality, and there's a 'mountain' of other evidence could be easily and completely demolished. The other part of me wants them acquitted, out of prison and out of Italy as soon as possible.
 
Maresca utilized a loophole on the civil side to get the questioning continued. Hellmann wanted everything wrapped up today. There was also a dispute on the prosecution side about August 27, the new date is now September 5. Court will be in session everyday from that point on until it is finished. As we know, nothing is ever final until it happens. We are told that Hellmann was not happy that there would be continued questioning. The prosecution is dragging this out as long as possible. It's all part of the "process" but also a waste of time. September 5 will be a wasted day of useless questions from Comodi that will do nothing more than attempt to muddy the water. The court appointed independent expert report will stand. We can all kid ourselves and think this is a jury trial but the truth is Hellmann controls the jury. His actions clearly show that he is moving for acquittals.

Sorry for the rushed update, busy day.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Maresca utilized a loophole on the civil side to get the questioning continued. Hellmann wanted everything wrapped up today. There was also a dispute on the prosecution side about August 27, the new date is now September 5. Court will be in session everyday from that point on until it is finished. As we know, nothing is ever final until it happens. We are told that Hellmann was not happy that there would be continued questioning. The prosecution is dragging this out as long as possible. It's all part of the "process" but also a waste of time. September 5 will be a wasted day of useless questions from Comodi that will do nothing more than attempt to muddy the water. The court appointed independent expert report will stand. We can all kid ourselves and think this is a jury trial but the truth is Hellmann controls the jury. His actions clearly show that he is moving for acquittals.

Sorry for the rushed update, busy day.
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Thanks Bruce.

At least the defense experts will be armed with more information this time around and this judge is not inclined to just trust steffi.
 
One of the NRB (Not Ready to Believe) club said:

The delusion of some who post in the main AK thread is a sight to behold.
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I have believed in the accuracy of the FOA site from the beginning. It has gotten even better. New arguments and viewpoints have been added which reenforce their initial position. It helps when you start out with the truth.

All the main DNA stuff was known during the first trial. The guilters just doubted the source. Oh, "that's only the FOA", they would say. I got that argument so frequently that I started quoting from the Massei report. Guilters couldn't refute quotes from the report they laborously translated (the Massei Report). I thank them for the report which dissolved their main arguments.

Now the guilters have a source for the DNA analysis that was chosen by the court. Now the guilters can't use the "FOA is biased" argument. The FOA has gotten it right from the start.

Now that there is no evidence to put the defendants in the murder room or around Guede or any plausible murder weapon. All that is left is to move them completely out of the house at the TOD. Perhaps that has been done too and perhaps it isn't necessary.

The prosecution can't prove with certainty that any resident of Perugia was or was not there at the TOD. Those of us living in the USA are safe from accusation since we were in the USA at the TOD. The prosecution would have to find airline records to establish that we were in Italy at the TOD (were they to accuse us). But maybe even that wouldn't stop a prosecution that has invented stories to explain missing information and then have walked away from the story after it was accepted as fact from repetition by the prosecution and media (re: motivations). Yep, the prosecution could have convicted us too.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Maresca utilized a loophole on the civil side to get the questioning continued. Hellmann wanted everything wrapped up today. There was also a dispute on the prosecution side about August 27, the new date is now September 5. Court will be in session everyday from that point on until it is finished. As we know, nothing is ever final until it happens. We are told that Hellmann was not happy that there would be continued questioning. The prosecution is dragging this out as long as possible. It's all part of the "process" but also a waste of time. September 5 will be a wasted day of useless questions from Comodi that will do nothing more than attempt to muddy the water. The court appointed independent expert report will stand. We can all kid ourselves and think this is a jury trial but the truth is Hellmann controls the jury. His actions clearly show that he is moving for acquittals.

Sorry for the rushed update, busy day.
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Thanks Bruce, that was much needed and very interesting.
 
RoseMontague said:
From a pro-guilt standpoint (I realize you believe just in involvement rather than participation), what did you think of today's hearing from the news we have heard so far?
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My hypothesis is that
- Rudy is the chief murderer
- Amanda was there at the time of the murder, her involvement is not clear
- Raffaele was probably not there at the time of the murder

As for today's hearing:
It was a mistake by Comodi to attack the experts' past as it was the judge who had selected them based on their past so it was counterproductive, as we have seen it from the judge stopping her.

On the other hand it was a good point that in the 6 days before the testing disputed now the laboratory did not execute other testing related to the Meredith Kercher homicide case.

"Manuela Comodi ha sottolineato come nei 6 giorni precedenti all’esame del coltello indicato come arma del delitto nei laboratori della polizia scientifica non vennero eseguiti esami relativi all’indagine sull’omicidio di Meredith Kercher."
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This lays to rest the frequently heard claim that the lab was full of the victim's DNA.
 
Sorry that I'm repeating an earlier post, but I'm curious to hear someones response.
Is there now enough reasonable doubt to support asking for house arrest pending the outcome? Why subject AK and RS to yet another summer in prison?
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Maresca utilized a loophole on the civil side to get the questioning continued. Hellmann wanted everything wrapped up today. There was also a dispute on the prosecution side about August 27, the new date is now September 5. Court will be in session everyday from that point on until it is finished. As we know, nothing is ever final until it happens. We are told that Hellmann was not happy that there would be continued questioning. The prosecution is dragging this out as long as possible. It's all part of the "process" but also a waste of time. September 5 will be a wasted day of useless questions from Comodi that will do nothing more than attempt to muddy the water. The court appointed independent expert report will stand. We can all kid ourselves and think this is a jury trial but the truth is Hellmann controls the jury. His actions clearly show that he is moving for acquittals.

Sorry for the rushed update, busy day.
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What is this "loophole" that seemingly allows a civil party to interfere with the progress of a criminal trial?
 
Under repeated and insistent questioning, court expert Carla Vecchiotti acknowledged that DNA belonging to Kercher could have been on the blade of the knife the prosecution claims is the murder weapon. "It is a complete DNA profile, but it is not reliable. Yes, it could be Meredith's," Vecchiotti told the court.
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In a lab that had amplified the victim's DNA 268 million times (with each amplification), the probability that the lab was free of the victim's DNA was zero.

Another lab that studied animal DNA was found to be contaminated with human DNA that could NOT be removed.
 
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Poppy1016 said:
Sorry that I'm repeating an earlier post, but I'm curious to hear someones response.
Is there now enough reasonable doubt to support asking for house arrest pending the outcome? Why subject AK and RS to yet another summer in prison?
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I don't think it's possible at this stage to give them house arrest.
 
pre-PCR versus post-PCR

bolint said:
On the other hand it was a good point that in the 6 days before the testing disputed now the laboratory did not execute other testing related to the Meredith Kercher homicide case.



This lays to rest the frequently heard claim that the lab was full of the victim's DNA.
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bolint,

With due respect, a good deal depends on what else the machine was used for in that time and whether or not pre- and post-PCR operations are physically separate in this lab, as they should be. It would only take a tiny fraction of post-PCR DNA to be a significant contaminant in a subsequent PCR reaction. Many of the evidence items had Meredith's profile.

In addition any evidence item for which a negative control were not performed should be tossed, IMO. In other cases the examination of the negative control has turned up problems, as noted by William Thompson in the article, "Tarnish on the Gold Standard."
 
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