Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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More insinuation. Come on discuss NCSTAR 1A with me?

So you will not be publishing your claims in an engineering journal, you will not be collecting a Pulitzer Prize for what would be, IF true, the biggest Pulitzer Prize ever. Darn, just when you made up the dumbest 911 truth claims in years, the pre-explosions to bring down WTC7, starting before 11 am. The truth is, no Pulitzer for people who have no evidence, and those who claim they want to discuss NIST stuff, because they have zero evidence to support their 911 fantasy.

When will you publish your claims and evidence? Let me answer that easy question. Never. The same fate as all of 911 truth; failure.

Opinions are better suited for the political forum, not an event, where evidence rules, and physics can be used. Gage never had a chance to join reality, he is making money selling lies and fantasy. It is good for the economy, he makes a living and we don't have to support him.
How will you save Gage from being a fraud?

Gage is a moron, or he is making a living selling lies, knowing there are suckers out there to support him. He found a fringe market, and he has no morals. Is he a moron or clever selling lies?
 
Exactly.

NIST can't explain this and neither can the debunkers!

It can't be explained without controlled demolition. Muddying the waters is the only defence debunkers have. Obviously NIST should be obliged to release the data and assumptions they used to construct their model for independent analysis. The program is available. We only lack the numerical data. Independent confirmation is the scientific norm for credible science. Anything else is pure pseudo science.
 
So you will not be publishing your claims in an engineering journal, you will not be collecting a Pulitzer Prize for what would be, IF true, the biggest Pulitzer Prize ever. Darn, just when you made up the dumbest 911 truth claims in years, the pre-explosions to bring down WTC7, starting before 11 am. The truth is, no Pulitzer for people who have no evidence, and those who claim they want to discuss NIST stuff, because they have zero evidence to support their 911 fantasy.

When will you publish your claims and evidence? Let me answer that easy question. Never. The same fate as all of 911 truth; failure.

Opinions are better suited for the political forum, not an event, where evidence rules, and physics can be used. Gage never had a chance to join reality, he is making money selling lies and fantasy. It is good for the economy, he makes a living and we don't have to support him.
How will you save Gage from being a fraud?

Gage is a moron, or he is making a living selling lies, knowing there are suckers out there to support him. He found a fringe market, and he has no morals. Is he a moron or clever selling lies?

Yawn, more insinuation.

Sorry you've only just discovered the bit about weakening charges. I would have thought with your experience on this forum you'd have discussed this issue by now but clearly not. I understood this concept within hours of reading the 9/11 stuff back in 2003. How comes you've missed it?
 
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Yawn, more insinuation.

Sorry you've only just discovered the bit about weakening charges. I would have thought with your experience on this forum you'd have discussed this issue by now but clearly not. I understood this concept within hours of reading the 9/11 stuff back in 2003. How comes you've missed it?
No body missed it. It was wrong then and it has not got better with age. And BTW, NIST did explain the four corners.


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In a natural collapse you couldn't have all four corners drop at the same time. Picture the four corners of a table when you cut all four legs at the same time.

Exactly.

NIST can't explain this and neither can the debunkers!


A table? The internal structure of WTC 7 collapse before the facade did, how does the table analogy, the table model the penthouse collapsing into WTC 7? Bill is not an engineer, you are proving you are not using your degree (if you got one) to help you understand WTC 7 collapse.

You both failed to look at all the photos, all the videos of WTC collapsing. But go ahead, apologize for terrorists, make up unsupported nonsense 10 years after 911 to satisfy your fantasy world. When you finally wake up from falling for the lies of Gage and 911 truth, you will understand why only 0.01 percent of all engineers support Gage. That is the percent of people who fail to think for themselves, so we are not in danger of returning to the middle ages, yet.

Good to see you are supporting Bill, she is the best 911 truth follower there is; spreading lies and zero evidence. The best.


It can't be explained without controlled demolition. Muddying the waters is the only defence debunkers have. Obviously NIST should be obliged to release the data and assumptions they used to construct their model for independent analysis. The program is available. We only lack the numerical data. Independent confirmation is the scientific norm for credible science. Anything else is pure pseudo science.
Nonsense! Engineers could model WTC 7 without the help of NIST. You could have gone to engineering school for the past 10 years. Instead you spread lies 911 truth without checking the facts and evidence. 911 truth never made it to the level of pseudoscience.
 
A table? The internal structure of WTC 7 collapse before the facade did, how does the table analogy, the table model the penthouse collapsing into WTC 7? Bill is not an engineer, you are proving you are not using your degree (if you got one) to help you understand WTC 7 collapse.

You both failed to look at all the photos, all the videos of WTC collapsing. But go ahead, apologize for terrorists, make up unsupported nonsense 10 years after 911 to satisfy your fantasy world. When you finally wake up from falling for the lies of Gage and 911 truth, you will understand why only 0.01 percent of all engineers support Gage. That is the percent of people who fail to think for themselves, so we are not in danger of returning to the middle ages, yet.

Good to see you are supporting Bill, she is the best 911 truth follower there is; spreading lies and zero evidence. The best.


Nonsense! Engineers could model WTC 7 without the help of NIST. You could have gone to engineering school for the past 10 years. Instead you spread lies 911 truth without checking the facts and evidence. 911 truth never made it to the level of pseudoscience.

But NIST couldn't model it very well. The model isn't correct because it shows the outer walls falling to bits at the roof after the penthouse collapses then the upper block twisting and disintegrating in on itself. This just didn't happen and NIST even says so later in its own investigation stating that the block fell downward as one single unit - not as a partial unit, but as a single one. Why do you cling onto it as being gospel. It is wrong, end of argument.

NIST had to work real hard over many years to form a hypothesis to fit that problem.
 
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Yawn, more insinuation.

Sorry you've only just discovered the bit about weakening charges. I would have thought with your experience on this forum you'd have discussed this issue by now but clearly not. I understood this concept within hours of reading the 9/11 stuff back in 2003. How comes you've missed it?
It is such an insane claim, I may have ignored it as being too moronic. But after 10 years of failure on your part and 911 truth, it seems to be a new claim to me. Explosives going off in a building on fire. Wait, the explosives would be cooked off. Darn, there goes your theory, down the old reality bit bucket.

7 years, and no degree? What happen? What do you have to support Gage besides an attack on NIST, and the failure to present your own original work ready to be published to prove your claims? Will you be using differential equations too? Wait, you want to set up a smoke screen and discuss NIST stuff, but you can't do it on your own, you can't make a point so you post nothing? How will this save Gage's claims from being lies? 10 years and no breakthrough; what is wrong? Bet you will not present your proof, or evidence to support your claims, just more claims, and big talk of nothing, and repeat your, not so clever, "NIST can't explain this and neither can the debunkers!", and not do much more.

Go ahead, explain your proof of an inside job, Gage needs the evidence. What, you only have talk like this, "NIST can't explain this and neither can the debunkers!". Which means, you don't understand what NIST said, and you can't comprehend fire destroying building.

But NIST couldn't model it very well. The model isn't correct because it shows the outer walls falling to bits at the roof after the penthouse collapses then the upper block twisting and disintegrating in on itself. This just didn't happen and NIST even says so later in its own investigation stating that the block fell downward as one single unit - not as a partial unit, but as a single one. Why do you cling onto it as being gospel. It is wrong, end of argument.

NIST had to work real hard over many years to form a hypothesis to fit that problem.
Then you do it; you make a post proving it. You don't understand engineering models, you don't understand models.

You will not understand this. By attacking NIST you prove you don't understand models, 911, and NIST's goals. But go ahead, make it more clear. Does Gage attack NIST as poorly as you do? I would check out NIST's goals before falling in the hole you keep digging much deeper, at speeds faster than free-fall.
 
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It is such an insane claim, I may have ignored it as being too moronic. But after 10 years of failure on your part and 911 truth, it seems to be a new claim to me. Explosives going off in a building on fire. Wait, the explosives would be cooked off. Darn, there goes your theory, down the old reality bit bucket.

7 years, and no degree? What happen? What do you have to support Gage besides an attack on NIST, and the failure to present your own original work ready to be published to prove your claims? Will you be using differential equations too? Wait, you want to set up a smoke screen and discuss NIST stuff, but you can't do it on your own, you can't make a point so you post nothing? How will this save Gage's claims from being lies? 10 years and no breakthrough; what is wrong? Bet you will not present your proof, or evidence to support your claims, just more claims, and big talk of nothing, and repeat your, not so clever, "NIST can't explain this and neither can the debunkers!", and not do much more.

Go ahead, explain your proof of an inside job, Gage needs the evidence. What, you only have talk like this, "NIST can't explain this and neither can the debunkers!". Which means, you don't understand what NIST said, and you can't comprehend fire destroying building.

Then you do it; you make a post proving it. You don't understand engineering models, you don't understand models.

You will not understand this. By attacking NIST you prove you don't understand models, 911, and NIST's goals. But go ahead, make it more clear. Does Gage attack NIST as poorly as you do? I would check out NIST's goals before falling in the hole you keep digging much deeper, at speeds faster than free-fall.

Care to offer proof that the explosives would have been cooked off, or indeed were subject to fire at all? How do you know where the explosives were?

And tell me, what do models do that will be of great mystery to me such that I can't understand them?
 
Care to offer proof that the explosives would have been cooked off, or indeed were subject to fire at all? How do you know where the explosives were?

And tell me, what do models do that will be of great mystery to me such that I can't understand them?

The explosives would't have cooked off anyway. The fires could not have reached a temperature that would penetrate the fireproofing they were covered with.
 
No, that's not new, and you know that. Pieces of 7WTC landed on the ROOF of Fitterman Hall.

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Yeah, those are for you too newguy......whatever your name is.

Want to ignore them again?

This is laughable. You present photos showing how tidy the pile is and sit there arguing the destruction of surrounding buildings when only one shows any damage (a few blown out windows in the others is hardly damage). Look at the Post Office building, it is clean, as was nearly all of the Verizon building on the other side, (except for a few damaged areas of masonry which probably totalled less than 0.5% of the building envelope) and yet WTC7 was a skyscraper by any definition. 47 storeys tall. In short, only a small amount of damage occurred to surrounding buildings. Astonishing for something which NIST claims was so chaotic!

I think any CD team would be happy with that result considering that they had no ability to contain the building or remove windows and outer cladding as they would have done had this been an official CD.
 
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Care to offer proof that the explosives would have been cooked off, or indeed were subject to fire at all? How do you know where the explosives were?

And tell me, what do models do that will be of great mystery to me such that I can't understand them?
There were no explosives. Any chance you will get on topic?

You have no clue what models are, the purpose. You proved it, and you have no clue what you did that prove you don't understand. Better go ask an engineering professor, since you are not listening to this engineer. But is is clear you failed to understand the goal of NIST, and models.

Better stick with your evidence when you get it out of Al Gore's lock-box. You do have evidence, or are you going to stick with Bill Smith's table model? You guys have any clue how long it will take to break your inside job? Eternity. Notice how I answer the stupid questions I ask?

Here is how it works. You make delusional claims, then you ask us stupid questions, and fail to present your original work to prove your claims. The topic is Gage and the Rebuttals. But there is no need to rebut Gage, he has no rational claims, and you can't help him.

Where do you guys keep your evidence? Why do you never post it?
 
There were no explosives. Any chance you will get on topic?

You have no clue what models are, the purpose. You proved it, and you have no clue what you did that prove you don't understand. Better go ask an engineering professor, since you are not listening to this engineer. But is is clear you failed to understand the goal of NIST, and models.

Better stick with your evidence when you get it out of Al Gore's lock-box. You do have evidence, or are you going to stick with Bill Smith's table model? You guys have any clue how long it will take to break your inside job? Eternity. Notice how I answer the stupid questions I ask?

Here is how it works. You make delusional claims, then you ask us stupid questions, and fail to present your original work to prove your claims. The topic is Gage and the Rebuttals. But there is no need to rebut Gage, he has no rational claims, and you can't help him.

Where do you guys keep your evidence? Why do you never post it?

We are posting and discussing the evidence. It's just you and many of your debunking buddies who keep on insinuating and dancing around the collapse of WTC7 as a form of obfuscation. Even Chris Mohr has run away and he was the one who asked for a rational debate. Where is he now? I wrote to him yesterday and he hasn't bothered to reply. He's probably making another silly video.

All you debunkers can do is argue semantics; what does straight down mean?, or what does foot print mean?, or what does toppling over mean? in respect of the actual collapse then try to suggest my wording is wrong. But not one of you has spoken about NCSTAR 1A from a technical point of view....NOT ONE!

Some of you are even confused about what actually happened to building 7. DaveThomasNSMR stated yesterday that the building toppled over sideways and NoahFence agreed with him. Now that's delusional!
 
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Are you guys sure you are still debating the topic of this thread, and not rehashing everything about the WTC?
Remember, this is about Chris Mohr's video series. And probably not about every topic touched upon in it.

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...not one of you has spoken about NCSTAR 1A from a technical point of view....NOT ONE!
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...because this here would be the WRONG thread for that. Please open a seperate one, or use the search function to find one of the many threads dedicated to debating WTC7 and NCSTAR 1A from a technical point of view.
 
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Are you guys sure you are still debating the topic of this thread, and not rehashing everything about the WTC?
Remember, this is about Chris Mohr's video series. And probably not about every topic touched upon in it.

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...because this here would be the WRONG thread for that. Please open a seperate one, or use the search function to find one of the many threads dedicated to debating WTC7 and NCSTAR 1A from a technical point of view.

Chris Mohr asked for a critique of his video No.18 a few pages ago - this was about the WTC7 collapse and his agreement with NCSTAR 1A. I gave him an answer to find myself bombarded by petty tirades which were off topic. We still haven't debated that video properly.
 
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This is just classic. First you tell me even the crappiest microphone will pick up the sounds of explosions, then you tell me, using the example I showed, why the microphone couldn't pick up the explosive sounds properly

No, I did not say that....

I said that the video you posted CLEARLY picked up the demolition but because it clips so easily it cannot recover quickly enough between detonations which means its harder to differentiate between individual detonations.



suggesting that better mics or ones with greater calibration do pick up the sound.

On the contrary I said it distorted from the detonations when they started immediately and that this is clearly different from the wind and that better microphones would (and they do) pick up the detonations individually and you will be able to hear them better (whch you can).

You originally claimed there was a "lack of explosive sounds" in this demolition, except there was and other videos clearly caught it better. We have plenty of videos around all around the WTC buildings when they collapsed, do you have any videos that show anything like that? What videos suddenly distort when the building collapses? None, obviously.


The mic in question was only subject to some wind or does that cause crazy interference?

The wind was causing distortion because the mic was cheap or broken but you can clearly see the difference in sound when the building collapses. I am unsure whether you were attempting to claim that this video you posted shows that you can have a demolition without audible explosive detonations or whether videos can't pick up the explosions. Either way you're wrong and you're just being typically belligerent.


The buildings in my video clip were in open air, unlike WTC7 which had its lower floors surrounded by other buildings, yet the microphone still couldn't quite cope.

Once more again truthers astound me. What you truthers claim about WTC7 would be heard for miles around, just like every other explosive demoltion. Buildings (or any other dense matter) directly in front you would to some degree muffle a small amount of high frequency sound (but not enough, to be clear), but low frequencies would travel much further. We have cameras only a couple of blocks away from WTC7 as it collapses and you don't hear anything, yet every other explosive demolition will be clearly audible. Its not like the building collapsed encased in a massive thick sound proofed chamber.

And don't forget WTC1 and 2. I posted two videos close up and none show these gigantically ridiculously intense explosives flinging steel and pulverizing concrete that Gage and and his gaggle of incompetents believe were in the building. There is certainly no getting away from that because you guys have decided it was going to be this huge dramatic event but then have to rationalise why no videos even ones close up picked up any, not even ones as powerfull as a normal demolition would use!

What is it to be - are mics all the same or do they have limits?

Not all mics are the same, but none work the way you think they do and certainly not the ones clearly used on 911. Again, look at more videos of explosive demolitions, no cameras, even crappy ones, have any trouble picking up the sound but you guys claim much more intense explosives were used to fling heavy steel hundreds of feet.

And no, your video clips do not show many of the initiations.

I asked you for examples so I know what you're talking about.

Most start as global collapse is a second or two into its stage. The first stage of collapse starts several seconds before that. The only one which shows the whole collapse from close up at street level is the one with the cops and the microphone is already picking up the noise of those people on the street which is akin to my example and you accept in that case that the microphone was unable to pick up the explosive sounds due to the wind.


Totally wrong because the reason why the video you posted couldn't pick up individual detonations very well is because it was clipping with the slightest sound ie.wind.

For what you're saying to be true here it would require the sound to be so distorted all the way through that you cannot tell when the detonations start which isn't even the case with the video you posted. If its not clipping we should be able to hear and theres no reason why we shouldn't.



Why doesn't the microphone near those cops pick up the sound of the building falling (which it doesn't except for the faintest of rumbles) or, assuming it was a natural collapse, the sounds of the breaking structure and penthouse destruction which must have been deafening?

It would have been quite loud and some do pick that up, but nowhere near as loud as a demolition. At least ten times as loud I would say judging from verinage compared to similar sized explosive demolitions. I gave you a South tower collapse video that clearly did pick up the sound of the collapse form beginning to end, why didn't we hear any detonations whatsoever in either video?

You've hardly made me look silly as you asserted you would have you?

Considering you posted a video of a demolition you claimed didnt have any explosions going off, even though it did, but you also neglected to watch any other videos of the same demolition that do show clear explosions much better than the one you posted, yes I do think its very silly. I also think its silly how you think microphones and sound work.

Still waiting for you to explain this to me:

So if one day I video something flying in the air am I just as right to think it could be an alien space ship even though it looks exactly like a plane and seeing planes are common? I'd have to explain how I could distinguish between an alien space ship and the plane if they both look identical. In the absence of any evidence, what logical reason do we have to conclude it is an alien space ship rather than a plane? YOu claimed that all the evidence points to people hearing and experiencing bombs/explosives on 911, so where's this evidence then and what reason do you give anyone to think it was a bomb rather than the hundred other things it could be? Imagine you're in a court in front of a jury arguing your case, they want to know why they should accept your theory thats its bombs, what do you tell them?
 
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Edx, that's a lot of words yet proves nothing about sound and microphones other than cheap or broken microphones don't record very well. Where's the sound of the falling structure of the Penthouse and the buckling of the columns between 7 and 14 again? And what about Bill's video posted this morning of the explosive noises - could these be charges going off in building 7 and if not, why not? I should explain that I believe cutting charges went off throughout the day on 9/11 in WTC7 so as to weaken the structure ahead of final demolition - at least one debunker here didn't understand this point.

Now, getting back to Chris Mohr,

what do you think of his pivot/leveraging of the north wall hypothesis in Video 18?

Perhaps you'd care to discuss this in relation to NIST's statement on Page 20 of NCSTAR 1A that " The entire building above the buckled-column region then moved downward as a single unit, completing the global collapse sequence".

How could something pivot off something which is also falling with it?
 
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We are posting and discussing the evidence. It's just you and many of your debunking buddies who keep on insinuating and dancing around the collapse of WTC7 as a form of obfuscation. Even Chris Mohr has run away and he was the one who asked for a rational debate. Where is he now? I wrote to him yesterday and he hasn't bothered to reply. He's probably making another silly video.

All you debunkers can do is argue semantics; what does straight down mean?, or what does foot print mean?, or what does toppling over mean? in respect of the actual collapse then try to suggest my wording is wrong. But not one of you has spoken about NCSTAR 1A from a technical point of view....NOT ONE!

Some of you are even confused about what actually happened to building 7. DaveThomasNSMR stated yesterday that the building toppled over sideways and NoahFence agreed with him. Now that's delusional!
It's been ten years. Will it take another ten or twenty before you reveal da troof to an astounded world? Will you still be doing this in your old age? A sad waste of a life.
 
Edx, that's a lot of words yet proves nothing about sound and microphones other than cheap or broken microphones don't record very well. Where's the sound of the falling structure of the Penthouse and the buckling of the columns between 7 and 14 again? And what about Bill's video posted this morning of the explosive noises - could these be charges going off in building 7 and if not, why not? I should explain that I believe cutting charges went off throughout the day on 9/11 in WTC7 so as to weaken the structure ahead of final demolition - at least one debunker here didn't understand this point.

Now, getting back to Chris Mohr,

what do you think of his pivot/leveraging of the north wall hypothesis in Video 18?

Perhaps you'd care to discuss this in relation to NIST's statement on Page 20 of NCSTAR 1A that " The entire building above the buckled-column region then moved downward as a single unit, completing the global collapse sequence".

How could something pivot off something which is also falling with it?

I have bolded the parts you have missed. Adds context.
 
Edx, that's a lot of words yet proves nothing about sound and microphones other than cheap or broken microphones don't record very well. Where's the sound of the falling structure of the Penthouse and the buckling of the columns between 7 and 14 again? And what about Bill's video posted this morning of the explosive noises - could these be charges going off in building 7 and if not, why not? I should explain that I believe cutting charges went off throughout the day on 9/11 in WTC7 so as to weaken the structure ahead of final demolition - at least one debunker here didn't understand this point.

Now, getting back to Chris Mohr,

what do you think of his pivot/leveraging of the north wall hypothesis in Video 18?

Perhaps you'd care to discuss this in relation to NIST's statement on Page 20 of NCSTAR 1A that " The entire building above the buckled-column region then moved downward as a single unit, completing the global collapse sequence".

How could something pivot off something which is also falling with it?

Where were the explosives planted,who planted them,how were they rigged without anybody noticing,how were the explosives made fireproof,these are just a few of the questions that you will have to answer before any non-troofers even begin to take you seriously.
 
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