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Boycott Israel

Saying "whether Israel survives or not is no concern of mine because all states eventually are destroyed" is like saying "whether you live or die is of no concern of mine because all men are mortal".

Not only should the logical mistake be obvious, but, quite apart from that, anybody who couldn't care less about whether Israel survives or not is hardly in a position to give it moral lessons, whatever the worth of the moral lesson itself -- much like Al Gore is more or less the worst possible crusader to stop conspicuous consumption so as to slow down global warming, with his private jet and multiple mansions, whatever the truth of his views.


I don't give a damn whether any of the current governments survives for 10 or 100 years. I don't think any will survive for 1000 years.

Having no liking for or respect for a government says nothing about how one feels towards the people in that country, except to the extent to which individuals have supported an unjust government.

I neither agree with your conclusions nor with process by which you apparently arrived at them.

Don't shoot the messenger. Israel is behaving badly.
 
I don't give a damn whether any of the current governments survives for 10 or 100 years. I don't think any will survive for 1000 years.

Yes, but you didn't talk about the government. You specifically talked about the state.

Don't shoot the messenger. Israel is behaving badly.

Didn't say it's not (see my other posts).
 
I'm mostly boycotting things made in China (the supposed DPRC, not Taiwan). If you look, you can find many textiles made in Viet Nam or South America, (or Pakistan if you are ok with that). My kitchen plasticware comes from New Zealand (Sistema, which is awesome). Stainless steel mostly from Germany or Japan. The glass and ceramics actually seem to come mostly from the USA (weird). The point is, you can live a pretty materialistic life without sending extra money to China, arguably the current main enemy of the USA. I'll admit to one Mac and one iPhone. Shame on Apple for their, "Designed by Apple in Cupertino", but [coff, coff] made in China BS.
 
I'm pretty sure I don't own a single Israeli thing at all.

When I saw this thread, my first thought was, "I wish I hadn't bought that crappy imitation rubbermaid box the other day, it's a piece of crap." I'm reasonably sure that it's the only item in my house stamped Made in Israel. I just noticed because I usually read those labels and it was so unusual.

So, I'd like to announce my boycotting of crappy faux-rubbermaid plastic containers from Israel. They suck.

ETA: As far as the politics go, I think that both the Israeli and Palestinian governments are led by complete and utter idiots. How can you have two populations, both of which overwhelmingly support a reasonable and obvious two state solution to the problem but with governments that can't make it happen. It would be like the US having budget problems that obviously require both budget cuts and tax increases, but having political parties that can't make that happen in spite of knowing that that is the solution for decades. Oh wait...
 
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ETA: As far as the politics go, I think that both the Israeli and Palestinian governments are led by complete and utter idiots. How can you have two populations, both of which overwhelmingly support a reasonable and obvious two state solution to the problem but with governments that can't make it happen.

The Israelis support it. The Palestinians don't. And it's not that much of a solution since a Palestinian state would most likely be a corrupt and unstable Arab dictatorship with no viable economy.
 
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From a Haaretz commentator.

A few examples to show to what extent the current coalition is based on ********ting. Netanyahu keeps repeating that the world is attacking the legitimacy of Israel’s existence. He wants to create the impression that peace would neither bring security to Israel, nor end its international isolation. As Shlomo Avineri has pointed out lately, this is blatantly false: except for Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the far fringes of the European and American Left nobody says that Israel’s existence is illegitimate. The overwhelming majority of the world simply wants Israel to end the occupation. No more; no less. Netanyahu ********s, because it is in his interest to hide that his political survival depends on not confronting the ideological right in his own party and in his coalition; and that his ideology, and not the Free World, condemns Israel to ever-growing isolation.

He similarly ********s Israeli citizens when he states flatly that the 1967 borders are indefensible, as if this was an established fact of nature. If it were, the former generals and former Mossad and Shabak Chiefs Lipkin-Shahak, Mitzna, Ayalon, Yatom and Peri would not subscribe to the Israeli Peace Initiative, which calls for negotiations based on the 1967 borders. In an open society, Netanyahu would engage with their arguments. But the one thing Netanyahu and his coalition must avoid like the pest is a open, critical and calm discussion. It would be their political demise.

Rational discussion would expose the blatant falsehood of its major ideological dogma: that Israel can be a democratic country with a Jewish character while continuing the occupation. A clear-headed discussion would show that the greatest danger for Israel’s future today lies not in the Arab world, but in the disintegration and radicalization of its political culture

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/the-boycott-law-and-********-1.373465
 
How can you have two populations, both of which overwhelmingly support a reasonable and obvious two state solution to the problem

I see your point, but, alas, it's not true. About 70% of Palestinians, recent polls show, do not accept the solution and want Israel destroyed outright.
 
Answered in part in #28.

I despise those governments as well.

Israel's government isn't worse than those governments, but it isn't better, either.
But Israel is the only country on the planet you are boycotting, correct?
 
As far as the Israeli state is concerned, I would like to see it pay for the damage it has inflicted on others.
Who pays for the damage inflicted on Israel? Or is Israel liable for all damages after they were repeatedly attacked for merely existing?
 
Well, I don't hate Jews and I don't think that the others posting in thread do either.
Yet you singled them out over China over a freedom of speech issue? :boggled:

Is this the double higher standard for Israel again that has nothing at all to do with anti-semitism?
 
How long Israel (or any other state) survives is of little concern to me. No state will last for long - none has, and I don't think none ever will.

What concerns me is what each one does while it is here.

Israel is behaving badly.

I don't give a damn about Islam except that I wish it would wither up and blow away.

If the consequences of Israel's misbehavior catch up with it someday, so it goes.

In the meantime, I wish Israel would treat people with dignity and justice.
So which Islamic countries are you boycotting?
 
for those who not only wish to boycott israel, but would like top support palestinian farmers in the west bank,
this link will help.
http://www.palestineonlinestore.com/oliveoil/

Thanks!

You are a most-excellent other-than-straight dude.
Complexity, the Palestinian Authority has a law that provides for the death penalty for any Palestinian who sells land to a Jew (not a "zionist", not an Israeli, but Jews).

Why aren't you boycotting the PA? Surely that is far more draconian than an Israeli law that allows lawsuit (not death, not even imprisonment or a fine) against those calling for a boycott, and will likely be ruled unconstitutional by Israel's Supreme Court?

Or is this the "higher" standard for Israel again? :confused:
 
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