General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[The Fool]

it's about 7 posts above yours sir. Google is your friend sir (there is tons of info on it. media jus doesn't report it due to political correctness towards our new eastern masters of course).

sorry son, nothing in there that I can see turns a populated area into an unpopulated area....perhaps you could point out which evidence you are relying on to make Arabs living between the Jordan and the Med vanish?

 

[The Fool]

dup

 

[USEagle13]

copied and pasted from above

Palestine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

"By 722 BC, Philistia had been subsumed by the Assyrian Empire, with the Philistines becoming 'part and parcel of the local population,' prospering under Assyrian rule during the 7th century despite occasional rebellions against their overlords.[11][30][31] In 604 BC, when Assyrian troops commanded by the Babylonian empire carried off significant numbers of the population into slavery, the distinctly Philistine character of the coastal cities dwindled away, and the history of the Philistines as a distinct people effectively ended."



*off topic* Europe was 1st started by Assyrian migrants also. Oldest town in Europe was in Germany settled by Assyrian king. True Germans were blonde hair blue eyed Assyrians.

 

[The Fool]

Palestine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

"By 722 BC, Philistia had been subsumed by the Assyrian Empire, with the Philistines becoming 'part and parcel of the local population,' prospering under Assyrian rule during the 7th century despite occasional rebellions against their overlords.[11][30][31] In 604 BC, when Assyrian troops commanded by the Babylonian empire carried off significant numbers of the population into slavery, the distinctly Philistine character of the coastal cities dwindled away, and the history of the Philistines as a distinct people effectively ended."



*off topic* Europe was 1st started by Assyrian migrants also. Oldest town in Europe was in Germany settled by Assyrian king. True Germans were blonde hair blue eyed Assyrians.

what does this have to go with the population living between the Jordan and the Med thousands of years later??

 

[WildCat]

They give us an insight into an ancient people, but you still have the problem of how to reconcile creation of a modern Israel where people were already living.

So you are anti-immigration?

 

[Virus]

Let's remember that 40% of modern Israelis descend from the Jewish communities that were kicked out of the surrounding Arab countries by nationalist and Islamic radicals.

Let's also remember that the French intended Lebanon to be a Christian state but you don't hear any outrage about that.

So apparently Jews moving from one place to another is a shocking outrage that demands blood revenge and genocide.

Apparently the Arabs were justified in trying to kill the Jews immigrating to Palestine. Something about self-determination and Eskimos or something. OK, so they tried war heaps of times and they failed. What now?

 

[The Fool]

So you are anti-immigration?

so you are anti-comprehension?

 

[a_unique_person]

So you are anti-immigration?

Immigrants means people who become a part of an existing society.

 

[Virus]

They could have lived in peace with the Jews. Learning from their good culture and work ethic. Economic cooperation. Educational exchange. Everyone would have benefited.

They chose to kill the Jews.

 

[HoverBoarder]

I'll go with the number Hamas operatives calculate when they drag them from their homes for use as combat assets.

wow.....cool and scary fantasy.

Fantasy? Hear it from the horses mouth:



It's only a 50 second video. But if you still refuse to watch it it's Hamas MP Fathi Hammad talking about how they use the elderly, women, and children as human shields.

This is reality, not fantasy.

a 50 second video takes a couple of hours to load.

Fair enough, I will transcribe it for you.

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Hamas MP Fathi Hammad
Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas/Gaza)
February 29, 2008

Fathi Hammad: (The enemies of Allah) do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its methods of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahedeen and the children.

Fathi Hammad: This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, and the elderly, and the mujahedeen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine.

Fathi Hammad: It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: “we desire death like you desire life”

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Just realize that while there may be legitimate reasons for some Palestinians to be vehemently angry at Israel, when they choose to join or support a group like Hamas, they are joining a group whose goals have nothing to do with obtaining freedom for Palestinians. It is a group with a stated aim of genocidal murderous revenge. The result of that goal is diametrically opposed to those Palestinians and people worldwide who are genuinely working through peaceful means, and just as important, effective means in working towards rights and freedoms for Palestinians. Gandhi and MLK are not just praised because their tactics of nonviolent movements were morally praiseworthy, they are also praised because their tactics were effective.

When people abroad such as some of those on the Gaza flotilla choose to praise Hamas instead of those who are genuinely working for the rights of Palestinians like those of Seeds of Peace or OneVoice, than they are directly working against any viable future State for the Palestinians regardless if they intended to help or not by choosing violent terrorism over proven and effective methods of peaceful resistance.

As I said before:

Zero. The number of acceptable dead children of any nation is zero.


Everyone on this board would feel that way, and almost everyone in the world would feel that way including the Israelis.

There is one group in partlicular that does not feel that way though, and that is Hamas.

Hamas would not have used Palestinian children as human shileds in order to attack Israeli civilians which included Israeli children if they were not aiming for dead children on both sides.

Unfortunately for their families, Hamas achieved their goal and got their wish of dead Palestinian children that they could use as political fodder to attack Israel with.

Most people would condem Hamas for that. You apparently have not.

I would hope that you would value the lives of Palestinian children and Israeli children more than to support a group that is actively trying to get as many of both groups killed for political ammunition as possible.

There is a way for the Palestinians to obtain more rights, there is a way for Palestinians to truly fight for freedom, but Hamas's tactics of terrorism and aggression towards people on both sides of this conflict couldn't be any farther from the powerful tools of peace needed for the Palestinians to really achieve true freedom.


These are true freedom fighters who are actually working for Palestinian rights and freedom: http://www.seedsofpeace.org/

When you actually look at the goals and actions of Hamas, there is nothing that promotes the rights and freedom of the Palestinians: Gaza Terrorists Resume Rocket Campaign Hamas says still seeks Israel's destruction

 

[trustbutverify]

HB- you have no comprehension. Hamas leaders don't actually mean what they say. That's just asserting their semetic masculinity. It's like rhetorical viagra.

 

[Skeptic]

HB- you have no comprehension. Hamas leaders don't actually mean what they say. That's just asserting their semetic masculinity. It's like rhetorical viagra.

Funny how both Virus and BikerDruid essentially agree that Arabs are childish, barbaric natives, whose statements should not be taken seriously, only they conclude different things from this "fact".

 

[Skeptic]

Immigrants means people who become a part of an existing society.

Funny, demands that Islamic immigrants integrate into European societies is contemptously dismissed as "Islamophobia".

Oh, and have you ever heard of China Town or Little Italy?

Drat! Yet another attempt to find a magical formula that makes it clear how different those nasty immigrant Jews were from the good immigrant Moroccans (or Chinese of whomever) fails.

You'll have to look for another excuse why it's OK to kill the former and not the latter, why "death to the Jews" is "resistance" and "death to the Chinese" is racism (which it is).

But that's OK, I'm sure you'll find one eventually.

 

[USEagle13]

what does this have to go with the population living between the Jordan and the Med thousands of years later??

They resurrected a name of a long disappeared race of people cohersed by other Arab states around them as a counter to the creation of Israel, and are just a group of ignorant people being used by larger states as chess pieces in a game of manifest destiny.

Thats what it has to do with it.

It would be like if a group of Mexicans started saying they were Aztecs and they want all their land back and be recognized as their own country.

Should I get into the Muslim Brotherhood and their long term goals!? Stated many many times by they themselves since around WWI to present day?

Once Greater Syria is created it makes instilling a Caliphate a whole lot easier in the eyes of the MB.

 

[The Fool]

Funny, demands that Islamic immigrants integrate into European societies is contemptously dismissed as "Islamophobia".

Oh, and have you ever heard of China Town or Little Italy?

Drat! Yet another attempt to find a magical formula that makes it clear how different those nasty immigrant Jews were from the good immigrant Moroccans (or Chinese of whomever) fails.

You'll have to look for another excuse why it's OK to kill the former and not the latter, why "death to the Jews" is "resistance" and "death to the Chinese" is racism (which it is).

But that's OK, I'm sure you'll find one eventually.

I wasn't aware of the Nationalistic goals of China Town or little Italy. Maybe we will see the Home of the Chinese or maybe the Home of the Catholic being proclaimed in the US? You appear to be suggesting these US citizens are a fifth column?


I would suggest its an analogy fail.

 

[USEagle13]

HB- you have no comprehension. Hamas leaders don't actually mean what they say. That's just asserting their semetic masculinity. It's like rhetorical viagra.

All threats should be taken seriously, wether verbal or physical. Once one makes an intention of a verbal threat the last thing is to actually do it.

If anyone wants to operate in any form of civilized culture then they must understand this concept. Failure to do so shows how naive, ignorant, and stupid the person making the threats really are (or anyone who dismisses the threats as rubbish).

Would you yell out to your neighbor you were going to kill him and his family including his kids and expect that neighbor to not make some form of lawful action against you?

Think about what you just said. Did Hitler mean what he said about the Jews? Did Bush or Obama mean what they said about war on terror?

Did you mean what you said about it's rhetorical viagra? If you did then you are insane mind.

 

[a_unique_person]

Funny, demands that Islamic immigrants integrate into European societies is contemptously dismissed as "Islamophobia".

Oh, and have you ever heard of China Town or Little Italy?

Drat! Yet another attempt to find a magical formula that makes it clear how different those nasty immigrant Jews were from the good immigrant Moroccans (or Chinese of whomever) fails.

You'll have to look for another excuse why it's OK to kill the former and not the latter, why "death to the Jews" is "resistance" and "death to the Chinese" is racism (which it is).

But that's OK, I'm sure you'll find one eventually.

Yes, the people of China Town and Little Italy are Australian citizens or permanent residents, they aren't planning to create a new state, and move hundreds of thousands of residents out of that new state by force, and call that new state a Chinese State or Italian State.

 

[The Fool]

They resurrected a name of a long disappeared race of people cohersed by other Arab states around them as a counter to the creation of Israel, and are just a group of ignorant people being used by larger states as chess pieces in a game of manifest destiny.

Thats what it has to do with it.

It would be like if a group of Mexicans started saying they were Aztecs and they want all their land back and be recognized as their own country.

Should I get into the Muslim Brotherhood and their long term goals!? Stated many many times by they themselves since around WWI to present day?

Once Greater Syria is created it makes instilling a Caliphate a whole lot easier in the eyes of the MB.

Seriously...These people are not going to vanish even if you think you can define them out of existence..

 

[USEagle13]

Seriously...These people are not going to vanish even if you think you can define them out of existence..

neither is the latter. It's called assimilation.

And it does not matter what country these so called "Palestinians" are in they fail to do it.

Only country I know of that doesn't have major issues reguarding this group of ppl is Chile.

 

[WildCat]

so you are anti-comprehension?

I comprehended it just fine, thenak you.

Immigrants means people who become a part of an existing society.

You mean the Ottoman Empire or the British Empire? What "existing society" are you speaking of?

For bonus points tell me how you and The Fool became part of Aboriginal society.