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Merged nuclear power safe?

Depends on what you define as "pretty radioactive". The shorter the half-life, the higher the radioactivity. That also means that the longer the half-life, the lower the radioactivity.

BTW, there is a lot of stuff that is radioactive but that we have in our homes. For example, do you have a kitchen-top made from granite? Check it with a Geiger counter, you will be surprised.

Greetings,

Chris


A quick look at wiki states that the procution of highl level waste is about 12000 tonnes a year.

What I can't find is the amounts of 237NP, 239Pu, 137I and 99Tc in this.


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Given the half lives of these elements, the amounts would be significant if they will need secure storage for thousands of years to prevent severe local environmental and health effects.


Given the half lives of these elements, if they are currently sufficiently radioactive to need secure storage to prevent severe local environmental and health effects, they will need this storage for thousands of years.
 
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Given the half lives of these elements, if they are currently sufficiently radioactive to need secure storage to prevent severe local environmental and health effects, they will need this storage for thousands of years.

I think that you are still missing the point. They do not _need_ to do that. All that needs to be done is to wait until the last one of these "oh i'm so green" nutjobs faded away and the road to progress in nuclear technology isn't blocked by them anymore. Then we can work on implementing modern and improved fuel cycles. The "waste" will become fuel. Using a TWR, load it once with such "waste" and it could happily run for the next 60 years with that single fill. Once we are really through with that, the remaining waste will be so little, and only needs a short term storage, that we can actually pump it back to where we have mined uranium and other things to start the whole thing.

Of course, we also have to take care that we leave the current material in a state that makes it possible to reuse or recycle it. You do know that the greeny-nuts have an active agenda to have all that "waste" vitrified, with the express purpose to block people from reusing/recycling it, did you?

See here (and in case the server seems to be down again, the page can be found archive.org here)

And finally, as others have already mentioned: Let's not forget the massive amount of radioactive materials and heavy metals that burning fossil fuels releases into the environment.

No matter how you look at it: Nuclear still is the best option for now and the foreseeable future. It's just that we must make sure that those supposedly green nutjobs don't gain any more influence into these matters, of which they know next to nothing about, and also get their current influence down considerably. They already caused enough harm.

Greetings,

Chris
 
Such a gun system has been proposed.

John Hunter wants to shoot stuff into space with a 3,600-foot gun. And he’s dead serious—he’s done the math. Making deliveries to an orbital outpost on a rocket costs $5,000 per pound, but using a space gun would cost just $250 per pound.

Building colossal guns has been Hunter’s pet project since 1992, when, while a physicist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, he first fired a 425-foot gun he built to test-launch hypersonic engines. Its methane-driven piston compressed hydrogen gas, which then expanded up the barrel to shoot a projectile. Mechanical firing can fail, however, so when Hunter’s company, Quicklaunch, released its plans last fall, it swapped the piston for a combustor that burns natural gas. Heat the hydrogen in a confined space and it should build up enough pressure to send a half-ton payload into the sky at 13,000 mph.

It would have to be scaled up significantly to match the 11 km/s required for escape velocity, but Hunters proposal shows it's doable and does not require exotic technology like rail guns.


That sounds a lot like what Dr. Gerald Bull was working on in the 1960s.
 
Christian, the British experience with fast breeder reactors hasn't been an unmitigated success.
 
Solar panels have notoriously bad photon to conversion rates. I haven't read yet what the efficiencies are with windtubines. Texas has HUGE wind turbine farms in the north west.

Those turbines need a minimum wind speed to function. You also need to shut them down if there's too much wind. Useful, eh ?

Looks eerily beautiful. Hundres of square miles of giant pin wheels lazily spining the wind.

They're also extremely noisy and dangerous to birds.
 
If nuclear power actually was safe, and nuclear waste was safe, and nuclear material was safe, nobody would be discussing it. We would just all be using safe nuclear power.

If religion wasn't true, nobody would believe in it. We'd all be atheists.

A fine line of reasoning you have, there, r-j.
 
Christian, the British experience with fast breeder reactors hasn't been an unmitigated success.

So what? Introduction of cars haven't been one either. Same goes for airplanes, space shuttles, etc. Should we stop each and every project or new technology as soon as we run into problems?

Also keep in mind that quite a lot of such fast breeders "back then" had a dual use purpose: to also breed nuclear material for military purposes. Taking that dual use out of the picture and focusing only on civilian use should make things a bit easier. And lets not forget the massive pressure of the wannabe-greens that caused massive cuts in research funding in that sector.

No matter how one looks at it, there simply is no other viable solution, and won't be for quite some time to come, to satisfy our energy demands. I have seen plenty of "studies" (if one wants to call them that) and other stuff that claims that using 100% renewables to meet our demands is possible, even in a very short time (like, 10 years from now or less). But whenever i read them carefully, they all turn out to be full of flaws, deception and outright lies.

People who think that throwing a bunch of windmills and solar panels at the problem will solve it are utterly mislead by that green propaganda. Quite the contrary is true. Building more windmills and solar panels is just the beginning of even more problems. All one needs to do is to apply some simple math to see that.

Lets take wind power for example. In 2010 we had 21,607 windmills installed with a total capacity of 27,214 MW, that is, 27.214 GW. Purely theoretical, that would produce 365 * 24 * 27.214 = 238,394.64 GWh = roundabout 238.4 TWh per year. However, since the wind does not blow all the time, they only fed 37.7 TWh into the grid, while 50.5 TWh was expected. Now, lets be gracious and take that 50.5 TWh number. 50.5 / 238.4 = 0.21. That means that from the nameplate capacity you get only 21% out in reality, over the course of one year.

Now lets assume that the total electricity demand for one year would also be those 238.4 TWh. To just reach that capacity, one would have to install 5 times as many windmills as their nameplate capacity tells, that is, 238.4 * 5 = 1,192 TW capacity. And here is where the problems start. Just throwing 5 times as many windmills in the environment does exactly nothing to meet that demand. We need storage capacity as well. Filling and emtying a storage has losses. Let's be gracious again and assume 85% total system efficiency (which is way too good to be real). Now we need to install 1,192 / 0.85 = roundabout 1,402 TW.

But wait, that calculation assumes at least a somewhat constant wind with only little outages. However, that is not how reality works. In fact, we can have one week without wind, followed by one day with wind, and again a week without wind. That means that we have to install a multiple of that capacity just to be able to fill all the storages quickly enough during that single day, while there must be enough storage capacity to hold for one week. And we still need even more windmills, because the current demand does not go to zero just because we want to use the windmills to fill the storages.

Of course this is only a simplified example, but it shows where the real problems are. One would need a huge multiple of installed capacity, just to handle storage and all that. Then we have transmission losses, offline times for servicing the units, etc, etc. And i used wind energy because that is what has the more efficient numbers. Solar power is much, much worse in that regard.

Now, it's easy to calculate such things (which the greenies did not really do anyways) and throw around the numbers, and then say "hey, see, it's possible". Yes, on paper it is. But where do you want to put all these windmills? You can not pack them together too dense, or the overall efficiency goes down rapidly. You need a lot of land to place them. Plus a lot of wiring to connect them. And then you have to build massive amounts of storage. I'm wondering what the greenies will say when they are told "hey guys, we have to flood your village because we have to build a hydro storage dam there".

Here you can see a map with the distribution of windfarms in Germany. All these windmills contribute to just below 10% of the total electricity demand we have. That means that to be able to satisfy _just_ the demand, we need 10 times as many of them. And then again we need multiples of that to supply the storage systems. Plus the storage systems themselves.

No, i'm sorry, but saying that 100% renewable can be done is just a big pipe dream, one that right now already costs me a lot of money due to the EEG in Germany, that forces me to pay a premium that is used only to subsidize wind and solar.

Greetings,

Chris

ETA: The numbers i used above are for Germany, of course.

ETA 2: And i completely left out the problem with the grid in that calculation. If we really would need to be able to fill storages that hold for one week in only one day, we would obviously need at least a 8 times higher grid capacity (7 times to fill the storages plus one for the current demand). And that for only the periods where it is necessary. What an enormous waste of resources.
 
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No, i'm sorry, but saying that 100% renewable can be done is just a big pipe dream, one that right now already costs me a lot of money due to the EEG in Germany, that forces me to pay a premium that is used only to subsidize wind and solar.

What annoys me about those who support those technologies is that, when you point out that they don't work, they expect the uncertain future to solve their problems ("But they might become much more efficient in a few years !"). Like that's a good argument for anything.
 
What annoys me about those who support nuclear energy is that, when you point out that they have no solutions, like for waste storage, meltdowns, contamination of the planet, they expect the uncertain future to solve their problems ("But they might find a solution in a few years!"). Like that's a good argument for anything.
 
What annoys me about those who support those technologies is that, when you point out that they don't work, they expect the uncertain future to solve their problems ("But they might become much more efficient in a few years !"). Like that's a good argument for anything.

Yes, which is especially funny given the fact that if we point out that things like TWR's, transmutation, etc. could be done, they themselves complain that all this is technology that doesn't really exist yet.

Hypocrisy at it's best.

Oh, and of course i left put a very important thing in my post above: The massive amount of resources needed to build all that. Stuff like neodymium magnets and efficient solar panels require a lot of nasty things. Just look at China, the main exporter of rare earth materials needed for neodymium. The land around the factories there is poisoned like nothing else, not to mention the people working and living there.

All that stuff goes into, for example, windmills which are barely 20% "efficient" to begin with.

I'm pretty sure that all the proponents of such stuff have massive problems with using big numbers. Either they are too stupid by nature, or they are willfully ignorant of these facts.

Wind and solar has it's advantages in certain situations and in certain places, no doubt about that. It's also a "nice to have" thing to supplement regular power generation. But there simply is no way to make it feasible enough to use that for 100% of the demand. Unless, of course, we are willing to go back into the dark ages of civilization, with little or no electricity available. Which, by coincidence, is also exactly what these green nutters want us to do.

Smart grids, smart meters, using energy for things like washing machines when it is available, etc. No, not with me.

Ah, and before i forget: What are they going to do with their other pipe dream, you know, all transportation being electric? How do they intend to produce _that_ massive extra amount of energy required, if their proposals can't even deliver the current demand?

Greetings,

Chris
 
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What annoys me about those who support nuclear energy is that, when you point out that they have no solutions, like for waste storage, meltdowns, contamination of the planet, they expect the uncertain future to solve their problems ("But they might find a solution in a few years!"). Like that's a good argument for anything.

And i'm annoyed by people who are unable to read what is written, to do their own research into the matter, who single out one technology and complain about the "contamination" it causes, while happily ignoring the hard facts of everything else.

But then it should be no surprise that these people avoid those facts like nothing else. After all, it could wake them up to the bare facts of the current situation.

If you prefer to stay ignorant about the reality, go ahead. Just don't be surprised and complain if reality will kick your butt sooner than later.

ETA: And just in case: We have solutions for "waste" storage, solutions to prevent core melt-through/meltdown, we can clean up contaminations. Just tell these green nutters to stay out of our ways so that we can start to develop and use new technologies.
 
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China and Russia have no green nutters stopping them from finding solutions to the nuclear problems. Like how they are now building another building over the original Chernobyl covering, because the old one is leaking. That's the solution to a meltdown. Keep building things to cover it up. For the next hundred thousand years. Maybe longer.

China is storing 'waste' in the desert. No greens preventing them from creating a hundred thousand year storage facility. If it was really 'waste' everybody would happily ship theirs to China. But it isn't waste that is the problem.
 
China and Russia have no green nutters stopping them from finding solutions to the nuclear problems. Like how they are now building another building over the original Chernobyl covering, because the old one is leaking. That's the solution to a meltdown. Keep building things to cover it up. For the next hundred thousand years. Maybe longer.

China is storing 'waste' in the desert. No greens preventing them from creating a hundred thousand year storage facility. If it was really 'waste' everybody would happily ship theirs to China. But it isn't waste that is the problem.

Thanks for proving my point.

I recommend you that you stop posting here and start to educate yourself of the subject matter at hand. Once you are done with that, go ahead and re-read your posts to find out what's wrong with them. Until then no one will take your stupid attempts of an argument seriously.

But then, we all can use a laugh or two a day, so keep at it.
 
Nuclear nutters keep promising 'in the future' somehow solutions will be found to problems like melted reactors. Incredibly dangerous situations which at present the answer is to cover it up. Literally, that is the solution to the problem, cover it up. Build a cover over it. (They are doing just that at Fukushima right now)

25 years after a meltdown/fire at Chernobyl the solution is to build another building over it. Because there isn't any solution. You build these incredibly dangerous devices, and store 40 years worth of dangerous radioactive fuel right next to it, and have zero solutions, much less a plan, for what to do when it goes horribly horribly wrong.

Then you have the audacity to claim it's safe, and attack clean safe renewable power gathering as dangerous. It's the true nutters that show their colors at times like that.
 
I can understand why you have no counter to what I said. There is no counter, and you know it. So you avoid answering, and consider yourself wise. That is truly nuts.
 
Nuclear nutters keep promising 'in the future' somehow solutions will be found to problems like melted reactors. Incredibly dangerous situations which at present the answer is to cover it up. Literally, that is the solution to the problem, cover it up. Build a cover over it. (They are doing just that at Fukushima right now)

Hahaha, you are really funny. You make it quite clear that you have absolutely no idea what is going on at Fukushima. As said, start to get your facts straight, and the use the keyboard. Right now you are doing it the other way round, which makes your posts look really, really stupid.

25 years after a meltdown/fire at Chernobyl the solution is to build another building over it. Because there isn't any solution. You build these incredibly dangerous devices, and store 40 years worth of dangerous radioactive fuel right next to it, and have zero solutions, much less a plan, for what to do when it goes horribly horribly wrong.

That "25 years after...." should have given you a clue already, but you refuse to look at the facts. Tell us, what was the type of reactor used there, and what other types of reactors exists, and which of them are used nowdays?

That is, of course, if you are willing to check the facts first.

Then you have the audacity to claim it's safe, and attack clean safe renewable power gathering as dangerous. It's the true nutters that show their colors at times like that.

Now you are flat out lying. Unless you can show where i said that "renewable power gathering" is dangerous, you are a liar. You must be really desperate to refer to such tactics. Is your green dream becoming clouded by the facts?
 
Nuclear nutters keep promising 'in the future' somehow solutions will be found to problems like melted reactors. Incredibly dangerous situations which at present the answer is to cover it up. Literally, that is the solution to the problem, cover it up. Build a cover over it. (They are doing just that at Fukushima right now)

25 years after a meltdown/fire at Chernobyl the solution is to build another building over it. Because there isn't any solution. You build these incredibly dangerous devices, and store 40 years worth of dangerous radioactive fuel right next to it, and have zero solutions, much less a plan, for what to do when it goes horribly horribly wrong.

Then you have the audacity to claim it's safe, and attack clean safe renewable power gathering as dangerous. It's the true nutters that show their colors at times like that.

Your feeble protest are equivalent to YOU pointing out at an accident 30 years ago with a very old car using 60'-70's security standard, and the driver experimenting arround suddenly acceleration and braking on a busy road, and then saying today's car security are as bad.

That make no sense on so many level, which is why Christian keep telling to educate yourself, but no you choose to flaunt your lack of knowledge even more.

Carry on. That's funny.
 

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