General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[Virus]

Death is a part of their culture, how dare you criticize their way of life... I mean... way of death?

Who's to say who's really dead? One man's dead person is another man's alive person. Reality is complicated. America couldn't decide if Terry Shiavo was dead or not. That proves that all the people killed by Hamas are only "dead" according to racist and imperialist Western conceptions.

 

[bikerdruid]

Whatever gets you through the night pal.

you seem to just keep missing the subtleties.

 

[The Fool]

That's why Australia didn't declare independence until 1986,

OH dear......one of your best.

 

[lionking]

OH dear......one of your best.

I had no idea I was living under the iron fist of British rule so recently.

 

[The Fool]

I had no idea I was living under the iron fist of British rule so recently.

British? I thought we were under the illuminati....

 

[trustbutverify]

you seem to just keep missing the subtleties.

You're right, i'm a blunt instrument.

Can you explain these subtleties to me? The ones directly involved in the posts you're responding to? Go slow please.

 

[Mycroft]

I had no idea I was living under the iron fist of British rule so recently.

That's exactly the point. It's because they didn't rule with an iron fist that the transition was both slow and unremarkable. Far from yearning to be free from a "foreign occupier", if the transition had never happened at all, you probably wouldn't notice any difference in your day to day life.

 

[bikerdruid]

I had no idea I was living under the iron fist of British rule so recently.

it was only 1982 when canada become independent.
until that time, the canadian constitution was the BNA Act, an act of british parliament.

 

[USEagle13]

Getting back on topic...

1.Everyone with a sane mind fully understands Palestinians are actually a mixture of Jordanians and other Arabs.

2. Recent archeological digs uncovering Israeli artifacts prove the Israeli's were there first. Yet many of these digs and underground structures are being shut down by pro Hamas supporters or the finds are simply hidden from the public and never told because everytime there is a new finding the dang Palestians start riots, throw rocks, and start killing ppl n stuff.


Frankly. Anti-semitism is getting really old. ProHamas=CT nuts

 

[bikerdruid]

1.Everyone with a sane mind fully understands Palestinians are actually a mixture of Jordanians and other Arabs.

2. Recent archeological digs uncovering Israeli artifacts prove the Israeli's were there first. Yet many of these digs and underground structures are being shut down by pro Hamas supporters or the finds are simply hidden from the public and never told because everytime there is a new finding the dang Palestians start riots, throw rocks, and start killing ppl n stuff.


Frankly. Anti-semitism is getting really old. ProHamas=CT nuts

sources?

and, btw.....palestinians are the arabs that lived in 'palestine' before the 'state of israel', and who struggle to live there now.

 

[a_unique_person]

1.Everyone with a sane mind fully understands Palestinians are actually a mixture of Jordanians and other Arabs.

2. Recent archeological digs uncovering Israeli artifacts prove the Israeli's were there first. Yet many of these digs and underground structures are being shut down by pro Hamas supporters or the finds are simply hidden from the public and never told because everytime there is a new finding the dang Palestians start riots, throw rocks, and start killing ppl n stuff.


Frankly. Anti-semitism is getting really old. ProHamas=CT nuts

Everyone knows that Israeli's were expelled by the Romans about 2,000 years ago. The problem with 'returning' is that there is now a long established population that is already there for a very long period of time. What are they supposed to do?

As for archeological digs, I have read evidence that when they are conducted, they diggers go straight through the evidence of long non Jewish habitation, till they get to the Jewish habitation. The land was not empty.

 

[USEagle13]

Pwn ftw

http://http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/92812J

ust the most recent one (just did a search for it. wasn't that hard, I guess if all you pay attention to is liberal media or these forums then of course you wouldn't have been hearing about all of the finds.)

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/apworld-4482572/ancient-underground-city-found-in-israel-25721006.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fapworld-4482572%252Fancient-underground-city-found-in-israel-25721006.html

A while back they found an underground bridge that they use most likely to escape the Romans (of the Jews that fled)


Temple mount excavations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excavations_at_the_Temple_Mount

Philistines (the real Palestinians) [URL="http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines"]http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines[/URL]

Palestine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

"By 722 BC, Philistia had been subsumed by the Assyrian Empire, with the Philistines becoming 'part and parcel of the local population,' prospering under Assyrian rule during the 7th century despite occasional rebellions against their overlords.[11][30][31] In 604 BC, when Assyrian troops commanded by the Babylonian empire carried off significant numbers of the population into slavery, the distinctly Philistine character of the coastal cities dwindled away, and the history of the Philistines as a distinct people effectively ended."

So basically they disappeared similar Aztecs and Myans. Vanished into thin air so to speak


Palestinian People http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

"The first widespread use of "Palestinian" as an endonym to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine began prior to the outbreak of World War"

So basically random Arabs in the general area (who were migrants from surrounding lands also) started calling themselves "Palestinians" again after thousands of years. Was this on their own accord? Nope.

"The first demand for national independence of the Levant was issued by the Syrian-Palestinian Congress on 21 September 1921."

Oh it was Syria that brainwashed them to do it. Using anti-semitism or some sort of manifest destiny. I'm sure.

Syrian-Palestinian Congress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian-Palestinian_Congress

"The formation of the congress followed the July 1919 "Pan-Syrian" Syrian National Congress. The addition of Palestine to the name followed the Franco-British boundary agreement of December 1920 which formally defined the territory of Palestine out of the region viewed by the Pan-Syrian nationalists as Greater Syria."

hmmm what is Greater Syria. Oh here it is: Greater Syria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_National_Congress

"The Syrian National Congress was convened in July 1919 in Damascus, Syria to prepare for the King-Crane Commission of inquiry on the future of Greater Syria after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The congress was attended by representative from all parts of Syria. The participants showed overwhelming support for King Faisal's demands. In its final report it pleaded that "there be no separation of the southern part of Syria, known as Palestine, nor of the littoral western zone, which includes Lebanon, from the Syrian country." In response the King-Crane Commission recommended that "the unity of Syria be preserved." The congress was considered the first national parliament in the history of Syria, and it was headed by Hashim al-Atassi.[1]"


Oh crap so it is basically a plot by Syria to use the Palestinians as a pawn to take over not only what ppl claim should be "Palestine" as part of it but even Lebanon.

And you don't want me to post info about all the hell Jordan and Lebanon have been having with Hezbollah/Hamas (pro-Palestinian/Greater Syria insurgents) over the past decades.

All they do is cause strife and misery because they are pawns in a manifest destiny game Syria has been playin for years.




Oh and last but not least Palestinian terrorists/prostestors (non-peaceful ones) flippin out over Israel archeological finds and over particular ppl visiting particular areas:

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=8630.0

http://www.theologicaleditions.com/Features/PreviousFeatures/Feature13-11-00.htm

http://www.theworld.org/2010/03/jerusalems-controversial-archaeology/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8571399.stm

http://http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/01/palestinians-remove-western-wall-report/

http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2011/04/jerusalems-time-tunnels-undermine.html


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/03/israelis-palestinians-brace-for-potential-outbreak-violence-after-un-vote/


http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-16/...ignty-palestinians-east-jerusalem?_s=PM:WORLD


Solomon's Wall
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/100226-king-solomon-wall-jerusalem-bible/


Sweet Findings of King David's Kingdom PWN FTW
http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=2148.0.81.0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ir_David_Foundation

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-14/world/israel.cityofdavid.archeology_1_animal-bones-archaeologists-judah?_s=PM:WORLD

 

[USEagle13]

sources?

and, btw.....palestinians are the arabs that lived in 'palestine' before the 'state of israel', and who struggle to live there now.

Ahem. You mean the Phillistites? The people "claiming" to be Palestians 2day are actually migrant Syrians, Lebananese, Jordanians, Egyptians, etc.

And if the Palestians are so awesome how come they start absolute mayhem in all the countries surrounding them? Starting internal conflicts, civil wars, etc.

They are terrorists.

 

[USEagle13]

sources?

And, btw.....palestinians are the arabs that lived in 'palestine' before the 'state of israel', and who struggle to live there now.

evidence!?

 

[a_unique_person]

David's "Kingdom" was a slight exaggeration and fantasy, as was most of the Old Testament. But that is really irrelevant, as are most of the ancient myths. They give us an insight into an ancient people, but you still have the problem of how to reconcile creation of a modern Israel where people were already living. The Zionists recognised that problem, and, despite much debate, never really came up with anything like a workable solution. That is the state we find ourselves in today.

 

[The Fool]

Ahem. You mean the Phillistites? The people "claiming" to be Palestians 2day are actually migrant Syrians, Lebananese, Jordanians, Egyptians, etc.

And if the Palestians are so awesome how come they start absolute mayhem in all the countries surrounding them? Starting internal conflicts, civil wars, etc.

They are terrorists.

The land without a people for a people without a land mythology is rather old and tired but if you want to give it yet another run......hey maybe waving your hands will make the inconvenient arabs disappear.

 

[USEagle13]

it's no mythology they r finding physical tangible evidence that can be studied right now!

and boy is it stirring up those that oppose!!!

 

[The Fool]

That's exactly the point. It's because they didn't rule with an iron fist that the transition was both slow and unremarkable. Far from yearning to be free from a "foreign occupier", if the transition had never happened at all, you probably wouldn't notice any difference in your day to day life.

Oh dear....

I'l tell you why Australian were not yearning to be free from foreign occupation.....it was because they were not under foreign occupation. Is that reasonable clear?

Australia declared independance of 1/1/01. It has not been under foreign rule since then. There are a number of people from the Australian Republican movement that believe we are still under British rule even today, you may be able to book a guest speaker role at thier next meeting

 

[The Fool]

it's no mythology they r finding physical tangible evidence that can be studied right now!

and boy is it stirring up those that oppose!!!

who is "they" and can you link to some of this "physical tangible evidence"?

You may need to put some effort into this as making large numbers of people living between the Jordan and the Med vanish is not easy.

 

[USEagle13]

who is "they" and can you link to some of this "physical tangible evidence"?

You may need to put some effort into this as making large numbers of people living between the Jordan and the Med vanish is not easy.

it's about 7 posts above yours sir. Google is your friend sir (there is tons of info on it. media jus doesn't report it due to political correctness towards our new eastern masters of course).