Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Clayton Moore said:
It's public knowledge that many people have lost their jobs for mentioning that 9/11 was an inside job.
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People have lost their jobs for being idiots. You don't get to go, "hmmmmm" every time somebody loses their jobs after they've mentioned they believe 9/11 was an inside job; people loose their jobs after mentioning lots of stupid things that embarrass their employers.

For example, it's public knowledge that many people have lost their jobs for mentioning that Aryans are the master race, and all others are inferior.
 
000063 said:
Such as...? Did any of them provide evidence?
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Even if someone were to confess, they would have to prove how they did it.
What information can we obtain from the remaining steel that could collaborate what they would say?

As far as someone coming forward to make a deal, why?

A polygraph would lessen doubt, but crimes (if there is a coverup related crime), this serious needs impartial physical evidence. It doesn't exist.

If the flight recorders still exist the most damning thing that could be on them is Daniel Lewin's voice on the cockpit recorder. That is if we had a enough samples of his voice.

The “Truther” explanation for the flight recorders is as valid as the official version. The “Truther's” have the FBI appear, find 3 of them, and disappear. The official version has all the material fingertip checked, but doesn't even find one beat to death housing! No parts to the damn plane. We all saw it crash into the building. 90% of it was aluminum but not all of it would have burnt up. The steel parts would have survived, some could even survive the acid.

Nothing Unreal Exists.

The official story moral: Something can cease to exist and we don't have to explain why.
 
The truther story moral: Something can never exist and we don't have to explain why it does once we declare that it does.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
The truther story moral: Something can never exist and we don't have to explain why it does once we declare that it does.
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I don' care if it is just enough parts to fill a gallon milk container, something had to survive. Or your fingertip examination was not as thorough as you imply.

You could go to all the transporter pads on the planet and see if they beamed something on 9-11. Wait there are none.

The officials version has either the entire plane ceasing to exist or fingertip examination of all the material. Which is the more plausible, you can't have both!
 
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tempesta29 said:
Why do you people keep telling me that the upper sections fell at less than g when that isn't even relevant to the argument I'm making? I'm referring to these masses' rate of acceleration remaining unchanged through the crash zones. Are you dodging or simply unable to comprehend when you read?

It's as if you can't read, but I know the truth is that you're simply desperate.
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It's double talk ala Professor Irwin Corey "The World's Foremost Authority."
 
Christopher7 said:
You inability to understand what you have read is the problem.

Look up "possibility".
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I know the word well. Maybe you should look up the word reasonable, logical, and evidence.

How can you say it is a POSSIBILITY when you don't even know WHAT you're looking for?
 
DeathDart said:
The “Truther” explanation for the flight recorders is as valid as the official version. The “Truther's” have the FBI appear, find 3 of them, and disappear. The official version has all the material fingertip checked, but doesn't even find one beat to death housing! No parts to the damn plane. We all saw it crash into the building. 90% of it was aluminum but not all of it would have burnt up. The steel parts would have survived, some could even survive the acid.

Nothing Unreal Exists.

The official story moral: Something can cease to exist and we don't have to explain why.
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Sigh....no plane parts.......right.......




And how much "fingertip checking" went on for this?



The official troofer moral.........keep making crap up with no regard to facts, evidence or reality.
 
DeathDart said:
Even if someone were to confess, they would have to prove how they did it.
What information can we obtain from the remaining steel that could collaborate what they would say?
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I think the word you are looking for is corroborate.

A polygraph would lessen doubt, but crimes (if there is a coverup related crime), this serious needs impartial physical evidence.
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Lie Detectors aren't as good at detecting lies as is generally believed and there is a tragically obscene amount of physical evidence that supports the "official story".

The “Truther” explanation for the flight recorders is as valid as the official version.
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I've yet to see a "Truther" explanation for anything to be as valid as the "official version". Your sentence sounds awfully like wishy-washy "one idea is as good as another" relativity. Saying "science and mathematics are just narratives invented by the white man to subjugate other races" might get you a pat on the back from your hippie college professor but it won't get you very far if you want to build a house or bake a cake or balance your checkbook or discover the cure for cancer.

The official story moral: Something can cease to exist and we don't have to explain why.
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How planes, buildings and people ceased to exist on 9/11 has been explained to you and other Truthers here ad nauseam. You just don't understand the explanation nor would you accept it even if you did understand it. You began with the conclusion that the government lied about 9/11 and then worked your way backwards, torturing the facts beyond all recognition to support your forgone conclusion. It's a very human tendency but it isn't a very clever or useful one.
 
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tempesta29 said:
Wasn't likely? It's guaranteed. That's physics.
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Would a deceleration of 1 m/s be noticable and measurable?

How about 1/2 m/s?

BTW, 1 second is about 30 frames.

So, using math, tell me how many frames this deceleration would show in?
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Another laugher. Acceleration, the going faster type, through 80 floors of resistance. With the last third, bottom, of building the strongest third of the building.
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No. The floor trusses throughout the structure were pretty much the same. Once the floor trusses are removed, gravity does the rest WRT the inner and outer columns.

But, you won't understand, so I should just post a random picture.

wtcn.jpg
 
Animal said:
Sigh....no plane parts.......right.......


[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_481644e1e636bc868b.jpg[/qimg]

And how much "fingertip checking" went on for this?

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The official troofer moral.........keep making crap up with no regard to facts, evidence or reality.
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From your Personal Album, so how far away would the voice recorder have been?
 
Tri, you have to show a random picture that's relevant to the truthers in order for them to understand it.

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I hear that they like charts and stuff...
 
triforcharity said:
No. The floor trusses throughout the structure were pretty much the same. Once the floor trusses are removed, gravity does the rest WRT the inner and outer columns.

But, you won't understand, so I should just post a random picture.

[qimg]http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/wtcn.jpg[/qimg]
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So all the HUGE and HUGER steel columns should have remained standing?
 
triforcharity said:
No. The floor trusses throughout the structure were pretty much the same. Once the floor trusses are removed, gravity does the rest WRT the inner and outer columns.

But, you won't understand, so I should just post a random picture.

[qimg]http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/wtcn.jpg[/qimg]
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(Not shown) The core walls was 3" thick, I don't know if the external trusses are any thicker.

Floor trusses and thickness was probably the same except for areas holding very heavy machinery.

Once you get 4 or more floors to break loose as a piece the only way to save the building is to blast the floors and debris laterally with a lot of explosives
 
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Animal said:
Sigh....no plane parts.......right.......


[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_481644e1e636bc868b.jpg[/qimg]
Where is this piece of plane now?

And how much "fingertip checking" went on for this?

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This appears to be metal melted by a hydrogen flame from an acid pit.
The official troofer moral.........keep making crap up with no regard to facts, evidence or reality.
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The lack of evidence for the plane fed the TRUTHERs. So how muuh more of the plane has been found. Or did this come from one of them desert plane graveyards?
 
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