Ron Paul's solution to the national debt

By the way, what was the alternative to inflation again?
 
Puppycow said:
Well, the government is not bankrupt. It's not even close to going bankrupt.
Declaring bankruptcy when you are not in fact bankrupt would be a problem.
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I was worried about this a great deal until Beerina's idea of spending money only on things mentioned in the Constitution.
In the graph on wikipedia titled, Receipts And Expenditures Estimates, everything listed as Mandatory Spending will get funded,
everything listed Discretionary Spending will get reduced funding somewhere down to, oh, to ten percent of their normal budget.

I'm very glad he mentioned it!
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Solitaire said:
I was worried about this a great deal until Beerina's idea of spending money only on things mentioned in the Constitution.
In the graph on wikipedia titled, Receipts And Expenditures Estimates, everything listed as Mandatory Spending will get funded,
everything listed Discretionary Spending will get reduced funding somewhere down to, oh, to ten percent of their normal budget.

I'm very glad he mentioned it! [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/154733e3f1e1414.gif[/qimg]
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Interesting.

According to Douglas Holtz-Eakin, revenue doesn't even cover mandatory spending:


I don't know which figures are more accurate though. Either way, it's not realistic to expect 90% cuts in discretionary spending, which includes military spending.

However, I'm always a little wary of arguments that go "X will happen because the consequences of X not happening are too severe."
 
Ladewig,

I assume a "world government" would technically be a corporatist oligarchy, with the normal functions of "government" basically being the muscle to advance the aims of the oligarchy.

The military, intelligence agencies would be turned inward on everybody, internet and media censorship would be implemented and we'd end up with a system that would make Josef Stalin and Kim Jong Il envious.
 
INRM said:
Ladewig,

I assume a "world government" would technically be a corporatist oligarchy, with the normal functions of "government" basically being the muscle to advance the aims of the oligarchy.

The military, intelligence agencies would be turned inward on everybody, internet and media censorship would be implemented and we'd end up with a system that would make Josef Stalin and Kim Jong Il envious.
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Can you PLEASE stop spamming serious discussion threads with your paranoid conspiracist nonsense?
 
INRM said:
Ladewig,

I assume a "world government" would technically be a corporatist oligarchy, with the normal functions of "government" basically being the muscle to advance the aims of the oligarchy.

The military, intelligence agencies would be turned inward on everybody, internet and media censorship would be implemented and we'd end up with a system that would make Josef Stalin and Kim Jong Il envious.
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All your dreams come true?
 
Chaos said:
Can you PLEASE stop spamming serious discussion threads with your paranoid conspiracist nonsense?
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This. This times 100.

INMR, your poorly-thought-out fantasies have no basis. Please find a better outlet for posting them. While there have been corporations willing to resort to violence, arson and the occasional murder in the history of the world. No corporation is going to engage in the type of mass murder on the scale necessary (tens of millions of armed and unarmed resisters) to have a one-world government as you describe. It borders on genocide.


If you are trolling, please stop.
If you are serious, please seek help. A good therapist, psychologist, or psychiatrist can help you overcome these frightening delusions.

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ETA: fixed spelling. resistors to resisters.
 
Isn't Ron Paul the guy who recently wanted to visit Fort Knox to make sure the gold was still there?

Clearly he's not paranoid in the least.
 
NoScotsman,

Well, I don't understand why they don't just carry out the audit. If there's gold there, what is there to lose? Conspiracy theories circulate when people feel the government isn't being truthful with them
 
INRM said:
NoScotsman,

Well, I don't understand why they don't just carry out the audit. If there's gold there, what is there to lose? Conspiracy theories circulate when people feel the government isn't being truthful with them
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Conpiracy theories circulate because some people are paranoid and ignore any evidence that counters their pet conspiracy theory.
 
INRM said:
NoScotsman,

Well, I don't understand why they don't just carry out the audit. If there's gold there, what is there to lose? Conspiracy theories circulate when people feel the government isn't being truthful with them
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How about if the people who want the audit done pay for the audit themselves.
It would cost about $15 million I hear. This is if you want to actually scientifically test each bar of gold to make sure that it's real and pure.
 
Puppycow said:
How about if the people who want the audit done pay for the audit themselves.
It would cost about $15 million I hear. This is if you want to actually scientifically test each bar of gold to make sure that it's real and pure.
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Couldn't we do some quick random Archimedes tests on the cheap? If the gold all appears to be there and isn't obviously fake that'd be enough for me. If someone took the trouble to plate that much tungsten I say they deserve to get away with it.

Seriously though this is a bizarre proposal from Ron Paul, for a "constitutionalist" to advocate a clear violation of the 14th amendment is pretty out-there. I support him on a variety of issues (the ones that aren't gold-related) so I can only hope he's just trolling with this.
 
INRM said:
NoScotsman,

Well, I don't understand why they don't just carry out the audit. If there's gold there, what is there to lose? Conspiracy theories circulate when people feel the government isn't being truthful with them
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They don´t do it because the paranoid nutcases proposing the audit would, no matter what the result is, find a reason to dismiss the result and demand a "real" audit that finds out if the gold is "really" there. You know, kind of like the Obama birthers and the demand for evidence of his eligibility.
 
Emperor_Gestahl said:
Couldn't we do some quick random Archimedes tests on the cheap? If the gold all appears to be there and isn't obviously fake that'd be enough for me.
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That might be good enough to satisfy you and me, but not the paranoids who want the audit done in the first place. They would want each and every bar counted weighed and tested.
 
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