Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[tsig]

The CIA, FBI and Secret Service would have access if they wanted it and all you know is what NIST tells us. You are willing to accept what NIST says without question, I am not.

No.

 

[Animal]

So the elevator repairmen didn't notice that someone had sprayed acid in the structure? How does acid sprayed in the elevator tracks weaken the steel of the cores?

DD, like almost every troofer, has no clue how buildings are constructed, how elevators are constructed and operate, nor how large buildings operate and are managed. Nor do they have any clue as to how NYC operated with regard to unions etc.

 

[Christopher7]

Then you have no evidence in any sense of the word.

You are in denial. Free fall acceleration is indisputable evidence that all the supporting structure was removed in a very precise manner.

The experts say you're full of beans.

There are experts who say bending steel moment frames can suddenly not provide any resistance at all. They are full of beans. There are experts who say bending steel always provides resistance and prevents free fall acceleration. This is axiomatic but you can believe whatever you like.

In order to prove that anything happened, you need to present physical evidence consistant with the events that followed from that crime.

Then all one has to do is destroy all the physical evidence and voilà. No crime. It's a very simple world.

There were no sounds consistant with explosive demolition recorded anywhere, at any time the whole bleeding day.

That is not true but I'm not going to get on that merry-go-round with you.

But then you would have to prove that the walls didn't just break under the weight of the falling structure above them.

The walls did NOT break, they folded up like a beer can. You have seen the NIST simulation. The walls are folding during the time of free fall. Therefore, the building in the NIST simulation is not falling at free fall acceleration.

From everything I have seen, the rater of downward acceleration was not consistant throughout collapse.

That is correct but it's that 100 feet of free fall that does not happen in the NIST model because the exterior walls are buckling.

 

[twinstead]

Y Then all one has to do is destroy all the physical evidence and voilà. No crime. It's a very simple world.

See, there you go again. Absence of evidence is NOT evidence!

 

[tsig]

My guess is that the building was so tall they had to create a hole in order to get the building to fall in on itself. Every CD is unique to the design of the building, and apparently, clearing out the east end was the best solution.

Surly you jest. How the hell am I supposed to know? That's a job for experts with complete knowledge of the thousand different kinds of explosives and the latest secret developments in the nano-thermite field.
I'm sure they did.

I can look at the results and accept that the only possibility for 100 feet of free fall acceleration is to REMOVE all the supporting structure on 7 to 8 floors.

You can't accept that. No worries mate.

Magic.

 

[tsig]

It's not a good idea to argue with a man with a gun.

Seriously, CIA trumps FDNY.

Really?

The CIA ordered the firefighters around with guns?

 

[Christopher7]

NIST 1-9 Page 300
[FONT="][FONT=Verdana]"They did not observe any fires at this time on the 8th floor or 9th floor"

This was about 1:15 to 1:30 p.m.
The fire on floor 8 first appeared on the north face at about 3:40 p.m.
The fire on floor 9 first appeared on the north face shortly before 4:00 p.m.[/FONT][/FONT]
[/quote][QUOTE="Animal, post: 7361834, member: 48164"]Quote miner and liar with absolutely no credibility.

You call me a liar but there is nothing in your post that disputes what I said. As a mater of fact you just confirmed that they had plenty of people between 11:00 a.m. and noon so the whole priority argument was a waste of time.

From Page 299 of the same report.
"Between 11:00 a.in. and 12:00 noon, approximately 40 FDNY members arrived at WTC 7 with orders to put the fires out inside WTC 7.1S Inside they surveyed conditions and reported seeing small fires in debris in the core area and on the west side of the same floor of the building. They did not identify the floor where they observed this." [a cubicle fire was reported on the west side of floor 7 by firefighters around noon - NIST L pg 18]

"Multiple FDNY personnel reported seeing fires in WTC 7 from the exterior, some as early as about 11:00 a.m. Fires were observed on the west face around Floor 10, and several fires were seen higher up in the building, around the 20s and 30s. [turned out to be 19,22,29 and 30] These fires were seen from Vesey and West Street. A firefighter reported seeing fire near the center of the south face around Floor 14,[turned out to be floor 12] which appeared to be a single office fire. Windows were broken, and smoke and fire were coming out of the building."

 

[triforcharity]

No, I keep saying there were fires on floors 7 and 12.

They had covered all the other priorities and could consider fighting the fires in WTC 7.

There was water available to fight the 2 fires in WTC 7.

They had firefighters to fight the fires.

Chief Fellini ordered a group of firefighters to fight the fires.

An engineer told them that the building was in danger of collapsing.

That is why they did not fight the fires but we have spent 10 - 20 pages of double talk and denial of the first three facts above.

Wow. Because you bolded the entire post, it MUST be true. I have won the lottery, and can finally pay off the house.

Checks bank account.......nope

 

[triforcharity]

The collapse that NIST said happened, could not have been foreseen.

And yet, it was.

Hey, what are the signs of arson Chris7. Please feel free to list them.

 

[tsig]

DD, like almost every troofer, has no clue how buildings are constructed, how elevators are constructed and operate, nor how large buildings operate and are managed. Nor do they have any clue as to how NYC operated with regard to unions etc.

I get the feeling they've never held a job in the real world.

 

[excaza]

I can look at the results and accept that the only possibility for 100 feet of free fall acceleration is to REMOVE all the supporting structure on 7 to 8 floors.

Remove the support, not necessarily remove the material. This has been explained to you repeatedly.

 

[twinstead]

Why again did they not fight the fires C7? I know YOU say the building was perfectly safe, and there was plenty of resources available to fight the fires. Of course you are in the abject minority on this issue and have no relevant training, education, or experience, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Nah, never mind. You deserve no such thing. You are wrong, and you don't know what you are talking about.

There. I feel better.

 

[NoahFence]

due to the fact that the building was in danger of collapse.
No

You're still sticking with the building wasn't in danger of collapse?

 

[Christopher7]

See, there you go again. Absence of evidence is NOT evidence!

Destruction of the physical evidence that could tell how WTC 7 collapsed could be considered evidence of a cover up. This is even more suspicious when the official explanation could not possibly happen the way NIST said it did because the fire they say started the collapse had burned out over an hour earlier.

 

[Christopher7]

You're still sticking with the building wasn't in danger of collapse?

You're a bit slow on the uptake, but, YES

 

[triforcharity]

It's not a good idea to argue with a man with a gun.

Seriously, CIA trumps FDNY.

it's typically not a good idea to mess with 100 men with axes either.

BTW, who is this CIA guy?

Can you cite any evidence?

Also, while you're at it, will you be listing the signs of arson? Since you seem to think you have it figure out......please feel to list the evidence.

 

[Christopher7]

Why again did they not fight the fires C7? I know YOU say the building was perfectly safe,

Where did I say that?

and there was plenty of resources available to fight the fires.

40 firefighters and the Hudson River.

Of course you are in the abject minority on this issue

I love a challenge.

and have no relevant training, education, or experience,

The only thing necessary is the ability to read and understand that a fire that has burned out cannot heat steel beams. You will grow up someday and it will all become clear to you.

There. I feel better.

Nitey nite

 

[NoahFence]

It's not a good idea to argue with a man with a gun.

Seriously, CIA trumps FDNY.

????


Not in a firefighting situation they don't.

Hang on. Are you saying that the CIA would SHOOT firefighters if they didn't do as they were told?

 

[NoahFence]

You're a bit slow on the uptake, but, YES

Wrong again. What a shock.

 

[twinstead]

????


Not in a firefighting situation they don't.

Hang on. Are you saying that the CIA would SHOOT firefighters if they didn't do as they were told?

In C7's world, the CIA and FBI have the power to do pretty much anything, and to make everybody keep their mouths shut about anything. That is obvious because nobody has ever blown the whistle on any wrongdoing of the CIA or FBI in their history.

Oh, wait. Never mind.