Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[dafydd]

The official holocaust story is full of lies and inconsistencies. If the holocaust is true why is it necessary to protect it with laws not applicable to other historical events? www.ihr.org/news/112705HoloDenial.html It is the only "conspiracy theory" that will get you jail time. The following essays and research show several of the main reasons why revisionists are skeptical of the holocaust. www.codoh.com/found/found.html

Why do you hate Jews?

 

[LemmyCaution]

The official holocaust story is full of lies and inconsistencies. If the holocaust is true why is it necessary to protect it with laws not applicable to other historical events? www.ihr.org/news/112705HoloDenial.html It is the only "conspiracy theory" that will get you jail time. The following essays and research show several of the main reasons why revisionists are skeptical of the holocaust. www.codoh.com/found/found.html

Enough of this silly notion. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43589662/ns/world_news-europe/ I suppose that, as denial is true because legislated against in some countries, then Scientology is true--in Russia?

 

[ddt]

That seems a pretty reasonable challenge, and I have to confess I can't met it.

That's one down.

However, I also have a reasonable challenge.

I will provide the names of say 50 Cohens living in the Netherlands and BSO can contact them and find out how they or their parents/grand parents survived the war.

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They can't all have had a secret annex, can they?

I don't see what's reasonable about that. Nobody is disputing some Jews survived. This thread is not about how they survived. Around 20-25,000 Dutch Jews survived the war because they were hidden by other people.

And I think it's extremely vile to post these persons' contact info, phone numbers included, in this thread.

 

[little grey rabbit]

That's one down.


I don't see what's reasonable about that. Nobody is disputing some Jews survived. This thread is not about how they survived. Around 20-25,000 Dutch Jews survived the war because they were hidden by other people.

And I think it's extremely vile to post these persons' contact info, phone numbers included, in this thread.

Well, at very least we will hear 50 heart-warming stories of people being hidden in secret annexes!

Think of all those secret annexes, all those Mieps! Why would we want to bury these joyful tidings?

 

[MG1962]

The official holocaust story is full of lies and inconsistencies. If the holocaust is true why is it necessary to protect it with laws not applicable to other historical events? www.ihr.org/news/112705HoloDenial.html It is the only "conspiracy theory" that will get you jail time. The following essays and research show several of the main reasons why revisionists are skeptical of the holocaust. www.codoh.com/found/found.html

You probably need to read a little more into the language of the specific laws. Most concern themselves with the denial of war crimes or crimes against humanity. Only Israel mentions the Holocaust by name

 

[TSR]

If you're just looking for people who got deported to Sobibor, just enter "Sobibor" in the site's search engine. It gives you 34,140 pages.

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I'm not, nor is that the search I used.
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Olympic Gold medalists - this page of the Dutch broadcasting corp. VPRO lists 4 gold medalists from the 1928 Amsterdam Olympics and one coach; 2 of the medalists and the coach were killed in Sobibor, the other 2 in Auschwitz.

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Yes, it does. It does not, however, state that these were the only Jews from that Olympic team who were sent to Sobibor to die. One Dutch Jewish member survived -- her name was Elka de Levi.
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[TSR]

The official holocaust story is full of lies and inconsistencies.

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Shall we define the "official story" as that written about by trained historians? If not why not?,

Was you have defined your term, you can begin to document these 'lies and incinsistencies' and demonstrate that they are exclusive to the Holocaust.
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If the holocaust is true why is it necessary to protect it with laws not applicable to other historical events?

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You seem to be ignorant of the actual laws involved, since the vast majority of them also apply to other historical events than the Holocaust.
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www.ihr.org/news/112705HoloDenial.html It is the only "conspiracy theory" that will get you jail time. The following essays and research show several of the main reasons why revisionists are skeptical of the holocaust. www.codoh.com/found/found.html

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How quaint -- citing two sites well-known for their dishonest approach to history.

"The only?" Try denying the Armenian genocide in Argentina, Switzerland, Uruguay or France (bonus hint: some of these are the same laws that cover Holocaust denial).

Ernst Gauss? Really? Weren't you just complaining about lies? From which university did 'Gauss' receive his doctorate, and was it under that name or his real one?
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[Saggy]

a TRUE Saggy classic !

Yep you don't need to know anything about something to deny it!!!

I know that the 'gas chambers' at Auschwitz and Majdanek are hoaxes simply by looking at the pictures, the large windows are the giveaway.

But, even that was not necessary. The holohoax is patently false on initial telling. The whole notion of gassing groups, up to 2000 !, persons in a room using a commercial insecticide is preposterous on its face. It doesn't take even one iota of study to know that the holohoax is a hoax. Not even Hollywood will try to reenact a 'realistic' Nazi gassing as not even the best fantasists in the world can come up with plausible or even possible mechanics of operation.

Here is a line from the first director of the USHMM, E. Wiesel, ...

"Babies were thrown into the air and the machine gunners used them as targets."

See, you don't have to know anything at all to know that the founder of the USHMM is a degenerate liar. The whole of the holohoax is built on just such preposterous lies. All you have to do is read them to know it.

Wiesel was a prisoner at Auschwitz for one year, and he wrote a book about it, 'Night'. He doesn't mention gas chambers even once, he writes that the Nazis killed the Jews by throwing them into burning pits, one for adults, one for children. How preposterous does it have to be before the 'Randi skeptics' wake up?

 

[Wroclaw]

The official holocaust story is full of lies and inconsistencies. If the holocaust is true why is it necessary to protect it with laws not applicable to other historical events? www.ihr.org/news/112705HoloDenial.html It is the only "conspiracy theory" that will get you jail time. The following essays and research show several of the main reasons why revisionists are skeptical of the holocaust. www.codoh.com/found/found.html

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[ddt]

Yes, it does. It does not, however, state that these were the only Jews from that Olympic team who were sent to Sobibor to die. One Dutch Jewish member survived -- her name was Elka de Levi.
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Interesting. Could you expand on the evidence she was deported to Sobibor? Is she listed in the transport lists? This write-up and this recent JPost article say her story is unknown. Wiki claims USHMM as source, but the USHMM website gives nothing.

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

See, you don't have to know anything at all to know that the founder of the USHMM is a degenerate liar. The whole of the holohoax is built on just such preposterous lies. All you have to do is read them to know it.

You deniers are awesome. You can bust a lie by just looking at it. Too bad, we normal people have to look for evidence to prove something is a lie.

 

[Saggy]

You deniers are awesome. You can bust a lie by just looking at it. Too bad, we normal people have to look for evidence to prove something is a lie.

Normal people are able to discern obvious absurdities, like using babies for skeet targets for machine gunners. Like a 'gas chamber' with a large window, it does not have to be investigated. Like throwing people in a burning pit to kill them, it is absurd on its face, no need to investigate. Obvious physical impossibilities do not have to be investigated.

And, absurd lies don't exist in a vacuum. When the Auschwitz museum administration/Yad Vashem/USHMM tells you that a room with a large plate glass window was a 'homicidal gas chamber' the lie is obvious, as is the immediate implication, that the Auschwtiz museum administration, and Yad Vashem, and the USHMM, consist of liars the likes of which the world has never before seen.

 

[Wroclaw]

Normal people are able to discern obvious absurdities, like using babies for skeet targets for machine gunners. Like a 'gas chamber' with a large window, it does not have to be investigated. Like throwing people in a burning pit to kill them, it is absurd on its face, no need to investigate. Obvious physical impossibilities do not have to be investigated.

Saggy, out of six million Jews said to have been murdered, what percentage does "the story" tell people were killed in the above manners?

And, absurd lies don't exist in a vacuum. When the Auschwitz museum administration/Yad Vashem/USHMM tells you that a room with a large plate glass window was a 'homicidal gas chamber' the lie is obvious, as is the immediate implication, that the Auschwtiz museum administration, and Yad Vashem, and the USHMM, consist of liars the likes of which the world has never before seen.

Liars like people who say that there are any gas chambers at Auschwitz with windows?

 

[Craig4]

Normal people are able to discern obvious absurdities, like using babies for skeet targets for machine gunners. Like a 'gas chamber' with a large window, it does not have to be investigated. Like throwing people in a burning pit to kill them, it is absurd on its face, no need to investigate. Obvious physical impossibilities do not have to be investigated.

And, absurd lies don't exist in a vacuum. When the Auschwitz museum administration/Yad Vashem/USHMM tells you that a room with a large plate glass window was a 'homicidal gas chamber' the lie is obvious, as is the immediate implication, that the Auschwtiz museum administration, and Yad Vashem, and the USHMM, consist of liars the likes of which the world has never before seen.

Why do you feel your disbelief is important?

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

Normal people are able to discern obvious absurdities, like using babies for skeet targets for machine gunners. Like a 'gas chamber' with a large window, it does not have to be investigated. Like throwing people in a burning pit to kill them, it is absurd on its face, no need to investigate. Obvious physical impossibilities do not have to be investigated.

Nothing of this is physical impossible or not otherwise explainable. In fact many things were explained to you, you just ignored that stuff, since you are a total nut case.

Which brings me right to my second point: Normal people don't "see" your stupid racist conspiracy nutjob bullcrap. They either laugh at you or you just disgust them. YOU guys are the ones, who are not normal. You just suck at life and are trying to compensate this by releasing your hate on other people. How pathetic. You won't convince anyone of your idiotic fantasies, but you are perfect for scaring them away.

When the Auschwitz museum administration/Yad Vashem/USHMM tells you that a room with a large plate glass window was a 'homicidal gas chamber' the lie is obvious, as is the immediate implication, that the Auschwtiz museum administration, and Yad Vashem, and the USHMM, consist of liars the likes of which the world has never before seen.

Lying again? The historians told Cole, that it was a reconstruction. It was the tourist guide, that was wrong about that fact. This "no reconstruction" strawman is REALLY old and just to be perfectly clear, the myths that you are puking in this forum are older than anyone, that writes here. And they were debunked ages ago.

 

[Hans]

Said to Saggy above

Why do you feel your disbelief is important?

Because his disbelief is all he needs to deny it! No study, evidence or facts are needed.

I have noted a 'creationist' type tone in his denial. He repeats over and over again falsehoods or actual errors, that are acknowledged and don't disprove the main body of evidence as if they do...how odd.

Saggy are you a creationists too?

 

[dafydd]

Said to Saggy above

Because his disbelief is all he needs to deny it! No study, evidence or facts are needed.

I have noted a 'creationist' type tone in his denial. He repeats over and over again falsehoods or actual errors, that are acknowledged and don't disprove the main body of evidence as if they do...how odd.

Saggy are you a creationists too?

He has the brains for it.

 

[McHrozni]

"Babies were thrown into the air and the machine gunners used them as targets."

See, you don't have to know anything at all to know that the founder of the USHMM is a degenerate liar.

What makes this an obvious lie, exactly? It's impossible to throw babies into the air? It's impossible to use babies as targets? It's impossible to create a gun that would fire bullets in rapid succession?

Those are the only options that I can see. Which of them is it?

McHrozni

 

[TSR]

Interesting. Could you expand on the evidence she was deported to Sobibor? Is she listed in the transport lists? This write-up and this recent JPost article say her story is unknown.

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"Untold" does not mean "unknown".
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Wiki claims USHMM as source, but the USHMM website gives nothing.

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Er was één Joods lid van de turnploeg die de vernietigingskampen overleefde. Elka de Levie, lid van het 1928 turnteam overleefde de Sjoah en stierf op 12 december 1979 in betrekkelijke anonimiteit.
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[MG1962]

Wiesel was a prisoner at Auschwitz for one year, and he wrote a book about it, 'Night'. He doesn't mention gas chambers even once, he writes that the Nazis killed the Jews by throwing them into burning pits, one for adults, one for children. How preposterous does it have to be before the 'Randi skeptics' wake up?

Pop quiz Saggy - How big was the camp?