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Atheists, quit confusing the two.

Skeptic Ginger said:
So you are saying it is impossible to study fictional characters? Can't we look at the history and aspects of such characters and draw conclusions they are fictional? Must they exist to be studied using the scientific process or is an examination of human fiction also worthwhile?
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The study is of the fiction, not the character.
 
epix said:
The basis of the opinion voiced by the street atheism hasn't change for the past four hundred years and that envisioned forced God to include the content of Genesis 6:6 into the Bible. The atheists will never correct their view of the role of science. They've bestowed divine attributes to that method of investigation; they've turned science into their god and are subservient to the word of elevated clergy ala Richard Dawkins. Any legitimate scientist knows that science doesn't deliver the truth; just a method of investigation that is superior to the one existing before the Renaissance. "There is no scientific proof of God" is a fallacious statement of a higher order, which exists and thrives on the perpetual and irreversible ignorance only street atheism can babysit. Furthermore . . .
I got to go.
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Mostly incoherent and completely wrong. Epix fail.














(yes, I know it's probably been said before but it needs saying again.)
 
godless dave said:
And that means they don't exist.
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That is a positive assertion that science would demand evidentiary support of, as I am not aware of any conclusive evidence supporting that assertion I would have to scientifically reject that proposal, as stated.
 
So the OP made the non-overlapping magisteria argument, presumably assuming it hadn't been discussed to death, and then ran for the woods?

Typical.

And then epix tries to argue who knows what in his usual incoherent fashion. :D
 
mikeyx said:
For the record is the JREF considered officially atheist?
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Many skeptics are also atheists, but there are many theists among the scientists and philosophers that adhere to the principals of skepticism and critical analysis and who are among the founding members of all major skeptical organizations. This is an oft repeated subject here at JREF and throughout many skeptical organizations. Martin Gardner is probably the most well recognized of these skeptical theists.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112262

http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=200

http://www.iep.utm.edu/skept-th/

http://gothamskeptic.org/why-skeptics-dont-have-to-be-atheists/

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php...-gay-and-atheistic-skeptic-organizations.html
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So you are describing the contrived unknowable
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Yes

(as opposes to the evidence directed unknowable)
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Don't know what that is

but agree it is contrived?
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Yes

The point being thus: The OP opened with a suggestion that theology provides knowledge of ethics, morals and whatever else supposedly isn't in the realm of science. (I paraphrase). I obliquely suggested that it's a fool's errand, since theology is just intellectual wankery. It may have important literary or historical value, such as with Augustine and Aquinas, but it has about as much chance of offering good moral lessons as any other literature.

That's all I was trying to say.
 
TShaitanaku said:
That is a positive assertion that science would demand evidentiary support of, as I am not aware of any conclusive evidence supporting that assertion I would have to scientifically reject that proposal, as stated.
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Do you mean that you don't agree?
 
TShaitanaku said:
Actually, if you look at theology (as opposed to any one particular religion or specific set of religious beliefs), which includes the investigation and exploration of a diverse range of theological beliefs and understandings there is definitely a field of knowledge to consider. Some might consider it more relevent to a blended mix of sociology and psychology, but regardless, there is knowledge and understanding to be had in the academic evaluation and understanding of theological perspectives,...IMO.
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What would that knowledge and understanding be?
 
I Am The Scum said:
I really think some of the people in this thread need to brush up on the philosophy of scienceWP. Here's a simple exercise: If you were to explain why science is a valid method of investigation, you would have to use something other than science to prove your point (lest you engage in circular reasoning). Since you're not using science, what are you doing?
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Really? Look at the screen you are reading these words on.
 
Kahalachan said:
So there is absolutely no reason to want to teach creationism in a science class. Or to claim that prayer healed someone. Or to say that your deity wants us to live and act a certain way.

Awesome. Theology can be outside the realm of science all it wants and stay there. :)
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Theology is a study without a subject.
 
MontagK505 said:
Theology is a study without a subject.
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"Theology is the systematic and rational study of religion and its influences and of the nature of religious truths, or the learned profession acquired by completing specialized training in religious studies, usually at a university or school of divinity or seminary." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology

It appears theology is also defined as the study of religion and it's influences in general. Given the amount of religions there are in the world I'd say theology has a lot of subjects to study.
 
Khan said:
It appears theology is also defined as the study of religion and it's influences in general. Given the amount of religions there are in the world I'd say theology has a lot of subjects to study.
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I guess that could be covered in mythology as well, no?
 
Khan said:
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It appears theology is also defined as the study of religion and it's influences in general. Given the amount of religions there are in the world I'd say theology has a lot of subjects to study.
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No.
 
Resume said:
I guess that could be covered in mythology as well, no?
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I'm betting there's a quite a bit of overlap in subjects. One could argue that theology is just a branch of mythology; or that they're one and the same. I generally consider mythology to be the study of ancient religions(Greek Paganism), while theology covers religions that are still popular today(Christianity, Islam). I may be entirely wrong.
 
Khan said:
I'm betting there's a quite a bit of overlap in subjects. One could argue that theology is just a branch of mythology; or that they're one and the same. I generally consider mythology to be the study of ancient religions(Greek Paganism), while theology covers religions that are still popular today(Christianity, Islam). I may be entirely wrong.
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I don't see the difference.
 
Khan said:
I'm betting there's a quite a bit of overlap in subjects. One could argue that theology is just a branch of mythology; or that they're one and the same. I generally consider mythology to be the study of ancient religions(Greek Paganism), while theology covers religions that are still popular today(Christianity, Islam). I may be entirely wrong.
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You're fairly wrong, but even a broken clock... It happens to be likely that almost all contemporary theologians profess extant religions.

Example
FSM theologian: The Flying Spaghetti Monster, saucy be his name, has 12-dimensional meatballs entwined in his ethereal noodle mass, and thus commands that you provide a sacrifice of 12 hekatombs. It's all in the Main Course 12:2-4 of the Old Recipes.

Professor of Comparative Religion: The FSMs apply various and interesting interpretations to the dimensionality of ground protein amalgams, distinguishing the angelic hierarchy in some sects. Other fringe theologians have drawn a connection to large scale sacrifice, they being patronized by livestock purveyors.
 
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