General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[IDB87]

So immigrants have no rights of ownership?

Apparently none.

Which sounds about right to some of the xenophobes here.

 

[IDB87]

how many generations has your family lived there?

How many generations have to live there until the deed becomes invalid?

 

[Pardalis]

not if they have to remove others to own it.

And now you're talking of Israel as a whole?

 

[bikerdruid]

I'm sure you'll be giving the name of this battle? It was your derail of an analogy after all.

it's been many years since i read it.
feel free to look it up.
do you think this is a lie?

 

[bikerdruid]

And now you're talking of Israel as a whole?

east jerusalem and the west bank should suffice to make my point.
do you deny that many palestinian homes have been bulldozed to clear the way for settlers?

 

[Pardalis]

east jerusalem and the west bank should suffice to make my point.

But I asked about Israel itself.

Is Israel itself "stolen"?

 

[IDB87]

it's been many years since i read it.
feel free to look it up.

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to give me some Google search terms as anything I've entered brings up zilch

do you think this is a lie?

I think if anything it's an immense exaggeration.

 

[bikerdruid]

I think if anything it's an immense exaggeration.

tough.
then it was caesar's exaggeration.
deal with it.

 

[Pardalis]

Perhaps you'd be so kind as to give me some Google search terms as anything I've entered brings up zilch

He can't back up with evidence his numbers for a war that happened two years ago (he still hasn't proven his 800 children figure), do you think he can provide evidence for something that happened two millenia ago?

 

[WildCat]

living on the land for many generations should constitute ownership.

There's so much wrong with that statement I hardly know where to begin.

Are you saying that Palestinians, collectively, own the land? What about the ones who emigrated? What about the ones who individually buy and sell land without consulting "the Palestinians" collectively? How many is "many generations"?

And that's just the start...

 

[bikerdruid]

There's so much wrong with taht statement I hardly know where to begin.

Are you saying that Palestinians, collectively, own the land? What about the ones who emigrated? What about the ones who individually buy and sell land without consulting "the Palestinians" collectively? How many is "many generations"?

And that's just the start...

do you not see how bulldozing a family's home to make way for someone else is immoral?

 

[Pardalis]

Biker, I asked you a question.

 

[WildCat]

do you not see how bulldozing a family's home to make way for someone else is immoral?

Who owned the home?

And it happens all the time here in the USA. Canada too no doubt.

eta: and will you be answering the questions?

 

[WildCat]

When should I inform my landlord that I now own his apartment complex?

I had no idea that I may have been signing away my property when I leased my rental apartment... and they have 2 kids so that's 2 generations!

But then again, they're immigrants to the US so maybe they have no rights at all?

I'm so confused by these communist legalities...

 

[bikerdruid]

Biker, I asked you a question.

...which i answered.
not to your satisfaction?
tough.

 

[bikerdruid]

Who owned the home?

And it happens all the time here in the USA. Canada too no doubt.

eta: and will you be answering the questions?

this home is owned by the family who lived it it....seems simple to me.
please quote examples from the u.s. and canada, where people are routinely forcefully removed from their homes, the homes destroyed and the land given to others.

 

[Pardalis]

...which i answered.
not to your satisfaction?
tough.

I'll ask again, is Israel itself "stolen"?

 

[WildCat]

this home is owned by the family who lived it it....seems simple to me.

Evidence?

please quote examples from the u.s. and canada, where people are routinely forcefully removed from their homes, the homes destroyed and the land given to others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

 

[Pardalis]

this home is owned by the family who lived it it....seems simple to me.
please quote examples from the u.s. and canada, where people are routinely forcefully removed from their homes, the homes destroyed and the land given to others.

I'll give you one:

P.É. Trudeau expropriated hundreds of families from their homes to build an airport that is now vacant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montréal-Mirabel_International_Airport#Expropriation

The same P.É Trudeau you admire so much.

absolutely....trudeau is certainly a truly great canadian.

 

[bikerdruid]

I'll give you one:

P.É. Trudeau expropriated hundreds of families from their homes to build an airport that is now vacant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montréal-Mirabel_International_Airport#Expropriation

The same P.É Trudeau you admire so much.

they were paid a fair market value for their homes.
that's a huge difference.