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Unbalanced? This isn't a video game, there is no rule that says you cannot initiate (or respond to) hostilities from people who do not possess the same military strength or technology as you.
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Fantastic!
Folks should be able to choose their own government. However:
A) Just because you have a mandate from the German people, doesn't mean the international community has to respect your position regarding attacking Poland
B) Just because you have a mandate from the Palestinian people, doesn't mean the international community has to respect your position regarding attacking Israel
Unbalanced does not mean immoral. The Western Allies campaign in France in 1944 was unbalanced… but also moral. (I seem to remember that the Allies had almost total air superiority… shocking I tell you! What rotters!)
I also note that Israel took many measures to limit civilian casualties… as opposed to Hamas, which actively tries to increase civilian losses (both palestinian and israeli).
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Those kids that were killed, you mean the kids whom Hamas used as human shields? When you put your artillery and weapons in a school or in buildings that house kids, what do you think will happen? When Israel launched attacks, they didn't just blindly fired weapons. They used precision guided weapons and only after making phone calls to every single house in the areas that were in the strike zones so those people could get out. Do you know what many of those Palestinians did? They gathered on the rooftops of those buildings with their kids.
But you blame the people who gave warning and did everything possible to avoid kids getting killed instead of the people who went out of their way to insure kids got killed. This group of people who goes out of their way to get their own people killed and to exterminate an entire group of people for religious reasons as "freedom fighters".
I find that absolutely immoral.
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THEIR land?
What about the killing of Jews?
What about Sri Lankla's violent repression of the Tamils nearly at the same time Cast Lead occured?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jmZhoFdyosLMvEWQIlYs66jRg8vw
They killed 20,000 there in a few days. Funny I haven't seen you comment on that one.
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bikerdruid
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i was appalled at that.
but that is a clear disrail. this thread is about gaza.
canada has deemed the tamils as a terrorist group.
i certainly disapprove of my government and support the fight of the tamils.
bikerdruid
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in cast lead, for example, there were 13 israeli deaths, three from 'friendly fire.
there were over a thousand gazan innocents civilians killed.
You were talking about the most unbalanced fights in history, I was pointing out that what happened in Sri Lanka is far worse than what happened during Cast Lead.
That doesn't answer my question, but that's OK, I just found it funny how you substituted the "killing of Jews" with "the killing of innocents", as if the killing of Jews was alright.
bikerdruid
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yes...the west bank, east jerusalem and gaza are palestinian land, in a treaty signed by israel over 40 years ago, that they have absolutely ignored.
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bikerdruid
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please point out where i have used the phrase, 'the killing of jews'.
you are deliberately lying.
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No, there weren't. Not even the NGOs claim over a thousand Palestinian civilian deaths. The IDF estimated 295.
bikerdruid
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No, you said:
Then I asked
Which you haven't answered, but as I said, it's OK, your choice of words speaks for itself.
mortimer
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Which treaty is that, then?
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Evidence? Not even the NGOs claim numbers even half that high.
bikerdruid
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perhaps treaty was the wrong word.
the agreement reached in 1967 after the six day war, then.
mortimer
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Got a link to that agreement?
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Which is exactly what you would expect to find when you have one side who's goal is to minimize casualties as their top priority and another who's primary goal is to get the highest death toll of their own people as possible. You seem to have this misconception that any death of a Gazan = kill by Israel. That couldn't be further from the truth.
And those were NOT civilians, most of those were Hamas who were ordered to wear civilian clothing, another blatant breach of the geneva convention aside from using human shields.
So don't be upset that Israel didn't use their own civilians as targets in order to get the death toll more balanced.
And speaking of Hamas, they now outlawed men from wearing women's hair styles due to what they claim is pressure form the people of Gaza claiming that Hamas is too moderate.
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