July 4, 1776 - July 4, 2011

thaiboxerken said:
Yes, and your point is?
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That a non-belief in the supernatural might possibly suggest a stronger reality orientation. Of course, not believing in the supernatural doesn't mean you can't believe in various kinds of political woo.
 
They didn't know about germ theory back then. I guess since I'm not smarter than them, I should just abandon that idea, yes?
 
thaiboxerken said:
There are plenty of atheists that still believe in supply-side economics.
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I've met Christians who believe in Communism in a pure economic sense. And many of the teachings of Jesus could be reconciled with Communism. And your point is?...........
 
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MontagK505 said:
I've met Christians who believe in Communism in a pure economic sense. And many of the teachings of Jesus could be reconciled with Communism. And your point is?...........
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That even atheists can believe nonsense. Although believing nonsense is a prerequisite for being religious.
 
Dragonrock said:
I've wondered, since the British government didn't recognize the US as a country until 1856 did they just consider us a bunch of colonies they weren't paying their taxes?
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I must confess my ignorance. I had never heard that fact before. Didn't the U.S. send ambassadors to England in the early 1800's ?
 
thaiboxerken said:
That even atheists can believe nonsense. Although believing nonsense is a prerequisite for being religious.
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It's also a prerequisite for believing in Communism or believing nonsense is a prerequisite for believing nonsense.

Now that we all have a firm grasp of the obvious......:D
 
JudeBrando said:
That was then. This is now. Surely, we are so much smarter now. Surely, most here are vastly superior both morally and intellectually to those dead white men, right?
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You know the guy who wrote that was *********** his slaves, right?

I'm not perfect, but I'm doing better than that.

Great document, written by men, very flawed men. They got quite a bit wrong, but had the foresight to allow us to alter and develop the system the created to reflect that learning.

And using "Creator" instead of "Jesus," was a bold move for the time. They did not have the benefit of Darwin, so they resorted to a broad deism as an explanation for how things came to be. They grew out of the Enlightenment and that philosophy, not Christianity, was the source of our system.
 
The constant and immediate need, with some, to attempt to deny the founders' Christianity with a "firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence" of Deist! Deism! is ridiculous. While their specific tenets of faith varied, these were mostly explicitly and overtly religious and Christian men. Some today do not like that and seek to re-write history more to their pleasure.
 
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JudeBrando said:
The constant and immediate need, with some, to attempt to deny the founders' Christianity with a "firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence" of Deist! Deism! is ridiculous.
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Were you badly frightened by a fact as a child?
 
epepke said:
Were you badly frightened by a fact as a child?
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:D
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i really find it interesting that american chrstians have to rationalize their zealous desire to inflict christianity on their nation, buy insisting that your founding fathers were christians, despite the evidence to the contrary. jefferson, at least was not a christian.
their fanatical fixation on america as a 'christian nation' is at the very least deluded.
 
JudeBrando said:
The constant and immediate need, with some, to attempt to deny the founders' Christianity with a "firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence" of Deist! Deism! is ridiculous. While their specific tenets of faith varied, these were mostly explicitly and overtly religious and Christian men. Some today do not like that and seek to re-write history more to their pleasure.
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Read this. Passed unanimously by the US Senate. Under Pres. John Adams, one of the FF. Yeppers. :)
 
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